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Well I gotta say that I sure like the way the .416 Rem mag or Rigby smack big game in the field. Most places I ever took those big bores of mine, I never had to shoot more than 250 yards to begin with in order to harvest my animal. The 350 grain Swift A Frame usually is recovered picture perfect in mushrooming, if it doesn't pass clean on through.
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action availably and brass easier to come by and cheaper. The Lapua may hold around 7 or 8 more gr of powder, not enough to make a difference in my opinion. Acctually the RUM and the Lapua hold about the same amount of powder. The Laupa is more popular and the brass is better and that is why I chose the Lapua. Ballistcaly they are equal
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My only experience thus far with the Lapua was with this charming model unveiled by Savage a year ago. I wouldn't say I was inordinately enamored of it, but they DID have to pry me away from it. Still thinking about an acquisition...
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The 338 Lapua is great for certain applications, and with proper bullets should work fine on most game but I don't think it'll replace my short, light 375's or 458 for most work.
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Looking at FPE and thinking that a 338 is the same as a 416, 458,etc on large dangerous game is very flawed thinking
The 338 is one of my favorite bore sizes, but just as Phil stated above it ain't a replacement for the TRUE BIG BORES by no stretch of the imagination
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The 338 Lapua is great for certain applications, and with proper bullets should work fine on most game but I don't think it'll replace my short, light 375's or 458 for most work. Nice TRG and nice shooting range you have there.
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Case capacity in gr of water from Loads from a Disk
338 Lapua 114.88 GR
338 RUM 106.91 GR
7.97 GR Different not much
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338 Lapua IM is 121 grains FWIW
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Sierra manuel Edition V page 660
Max load listed for the 338 RUM and the 300 SKK
H-1000-93.9 grain
Rl-22-83 grains
Page 664 for the 338 Lapua with the 300 SMK
H-1000-92.2 grains
Rl-22-80.9 grains
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I'm just going by the Ballistic Program and have never actually weight them out.
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Brass is the main reason and they are more accurate-no doubt in my mind. Dont hear many stories about snipers making 2.5 KM shots with RUM or Weatherbies do you? Then agin the post was about shooting dangerous game. There is no more dangerous game than humans that shoot back is there in my opinion?
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Only because the sniper only use what they are given, chamber the rifle in the Wby or the 338 RUM and you would get the same kill results.
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Doubt that. I have a 338/378 Bee and the 338 Lapua will outshoot it easily. My buddy has a RUM and he can't even hit a drum at 1000 yds with it. The bee will hit the drum but the holes are all over the place. The Lapua will group in 7 inch.
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I believe accuracy comes from who builds the rifle and the ability of the shooter than and actual round it is chambered for when the rounds are as close as the Lapua and RUM. But this is just my personal opinion
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Only because the sniper only use what they are given, chamber the rifle in the Wby or the 338 RUM and you would get the same kill results. The 338 Lapua was designed from the ground up as a military cartridge and was based on the 416 Rigby case. The 416 Rigby case was used instead of the 378 cased to get away from the belt. The 378 is based off of the 416 Rigby with a belt added History Of The 338 Lapua As Told By Lapua
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Which of the 338s is best at long range s probably academic as the 300 magnums seem to rule. I think the 300 WSM just took the record at a 1000 yards and usually it is a variation of the 300 Winchester and 300 Wby/Ackely Improved.
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The 300 WSM is shorter than the 300 Win with less body taper and a 35 degreee shoulder without the silly useless belt
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Some years ago when I was shooting a lot, I don't recall any of the .338 calibers doing squat at those 1000 yard shoots. However, the .300 Win mag certainly did make a name for it's self no question about that fact.
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Some years ago when I was shooting a lot, I don't recall any of the .338 calibers doing squat at those 1000 yard shoots. However, the .300 Win mag certainly did make a name for it's self no question about that fact. The bloke who does best in Australia uses a variation of the 300 Winchester. It has a name but I can't remember. I think change in should angle and maybe neck lenghth. Anyway, he has said a few times that one of the major things is powder suitability of available powders for the case capacity.
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That is an over blown concern 388 Lapua on a M-700 action with Seekins detachable box magazine that allows for a COAL of 3.9"set up for long range hunting what is this rifle built on? what action is that? Might that be a standard long action or is it something custom or special (bigger than long action)???
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