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we all have azzholes wokin for us.... It wasn't just the unions that elected Obama, Clinton etc...
Your non-union brothers across the country carried the day.

I'm just sayin that the average union guy ain't the problem.

How come firemen and police get a free pass from a republican Gov?

i dont doubt yah but ive also seen the exact opposite.....seen 10% or so bully the rest into what they want.....watched them ask for unreal amounts and honestly think that it was fair......

The leadership refused to go to the table to talk to the company after proper proposals were made and also refused later requests of votes by the rank and file. The lockout was caused by sabotage of equipment in the plant. Read Muscatine Journal, GPC lockout, archives to see both sides and form your own opinion Russ

Well I can assure you that the head guy at Council 24 here in Wisconsin is not elected.I have asked for YEARS why we don't get to elect who the head honcho is?

I am a State of WI worker and tolerate the union at best. I supported Walker,donated a few dollarsto his campaign and am probably one of the most hated guys at my work for that. They think my vote carried the day for Walker I guess:) The funny thing is that lots of folks voted for him that I work with.They are either scared or don't want to make waves.

Me I don't mind holding the big spoon and stirring the pot a little:)

Bill/WI

Being union Marshhawk,what made you lean towards Walker for your vote,if it's alright with you to even ask?

For every union worker in this country (public and private), there are four people who live on welfare. Not unemployment insurance...welfare. Each one gets a free ride on your tax money with no service rendered,required or expected. I am really offended that these leeches are considered a sacred cow by both Republicans and Democrats. IMHO, any crusade, by either party, that doesn't address the holes in the bottom of the bucket is absolutely incredible and an insult to all (tax paying) Americans. I won't elaborate on what I think about those that buy into their political bullshiit.

Isaac, I can answer for myself only.
One either has to vote his morals or his politics.
I can't defend the dems party plank, I won't vote for people who condone gun control, gay marriages, illegals etc.

I belong to a union because I still think that corporate managers are in business to get the cheapest labor possible and spin off medical and retirement costs on the tax paying public.

I will have funded my own old age income and medical costs through a negotiated wage and should;nt be a burden on yours or my children.

It's kind of a visious circle. joe average don't make enough money everybody suffers - even business

Joe Blow makes to much money - no jobs,

Don't have all the answers. I just feel climbing up the backs of other people to accuumulate wealth is not the way I was raised.

Curious as to who on here is talking bad about unions and good about welfare?

Isaac,
I have 3 Children and 3 Grandchildren. Wisconsin is a tax hell.Only 2 people in my Family work for the State.Myself and my Sister.She is in management so not in the union.I am looking at the big picture and not just my check.I am a Corrrectional Sergeant for the state.

I want lower taxes,I am prolife, I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment and my right to protect myself and family does not end at my front door.We have had CCW shot down 2 times by the Democrats.

Emybryonic stem cell research should not include state or federal money imo.Our business climate sucks in WI. We need more jobs.

I work with so many people who believe the same or most of the same things that have lost there minds over the whole thing. They would never think about voting Democrat but because its all about the money they absolutely HATE Walker.

What really frosts my ass is all the liberals saying we have a RIGHT to collective bargain.Which I don't recall in any US documents:)How convenient that we also have the right to bear arms but they don't get all worked up when stomping on others rigths over the 2nd amendment.

Thats it in a nutshell Isaac:)

Bill/WI

you seem like a smart man...

I don't know either, but I like what he said.

that just might make him rethink his position

+1 Russ

Welfare is not part of the discussion at all. That's the problem. The Politicians have everybody mad at the chihuahua for crapping in the living room to distract them from the pitbull eating the baby.

Unions are a necessary evil. I see both sides of the thing, but an America that had never had unions would be a far worse America.

Now a lawyer posting an anti-union post is just about farcical, consider the nut-lock they've got on their particular segment of the economy.

Yeah what might be the %age of the House and Senate.

My wife has a great little monologue about the legal system.

In essence, it's in a foriegn language, and should you be so unfortunate as to be engaged in it, you basically have no choice but to hire someone who speaks that language. And they (the speakers) make DAMN sure it stays that way.

And the best part? If you have a problem with your "translator", or any other translator... the only way to address it is by.... drum roll please........

I got friends and family who are lawyers and in fact have considered a midlife run at The Law; in my business we get to wrangle contracts and I very much enjoy that (and usually win). But I'd do it knowing I was joining a rigged system... similar to unions in many ways...

I thought you were simply a salesman. I guess a cat fight with another agent as to whether a fridge is going to convey or not can be considered contract wrangling. And, I guess ultimately checking the yes box for the fridge on pre-printed, standardardized form RE contracts is considered a win for some of those contract wranglers. Only a sales agent could believe a profession which educationally requires only a HS diploma and some elemental Principles and Practices courses for licensure elevates them to such status. Just imagine how much better you'd feel about the winning if you were actually paid for such brain taxing contract negotiations,Clarence.

Anyways, I'd love to hear more from you as to how lawyers are union employees. Being a dues paying real estate contract wrangler,I'm sure you can come up with some non-farcical answer that makes some sense to us other paid contract wrangler types.

PS...you might wish to go back and read Casey's epic fails in this regard just so that you don't suffer the same embarrassment he did.

There is no longer a need for unions. IF you work hard and go to work you will get what you deserve.

If all else fails the worker can hire ..... a lawyer!

IF everyone was honest, deals were made with a hand shake AND honored, people were not greedy and didn't cheat on taxes, people that are guilty admit it and take their due, would we really need lawyers?

There was an article in the paper a few months ago about a "LAWYER" who went around filling suits against small business that hadn't followed to a T regulations dealing with Handycapped parking.

IF the paint wasn't visible enough/worn, if signs were improperly spaced or not worded right, if the number of spaces wasn't up to code... This "LAWYER" sued the owners...

Freakin "LAWYER" didn't even stick to his own area, but rather hit damn near every city in Southern California!

Of course most of the cases never made it to court, most of the small business couldn't afford a leagle fight so they settled out of court with the "LAWYER"!


Phil