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Crosshair-- what do you carry at work? Whatever it is, you might look for the most concealable version of that pistol available.

Otherwise, I'd go with the smallest .45 you can find.

Sounds like you need to move, or just bend over and grab your ankles.

As for a 9mm not being a manstopper, I know two men who, before I knew them, got shot with AK's. One a through and through wound of the neck, the other through the face and side of the skull. They are still around. I've also seen what Winchester Ranger 9mm will do to flesh, I'll stick with a 9mm Glock.

A lot of the early Cooper trained instructors from Gunsite, trust their lives to a Glock. Larry Vickers, probably the best living 1911 pistolsmith, reccomends a 9mm Glock, with proper ammo.

Scott F,
I fully understand what you are saying and I agree with you. But the laws of physics are in play here. To have a smaller pistol, i.e. one that is easy to carry and conceal, as a practical matter it is necessary to have a smaller cartridge.

Having an easily concealable Kahr that will hold 8 rounds of what amounts to .38 special +p ammo is not a bad thing. A 45acp in the same package would be better and a 500S&W even better, but...

Johnny $

I have the CW40 and the wife has a CW9. They both have been 100% reliable and very accurate through several hundred rounds each. The recoil is a little more stout in the .40 but still very manageable. They are pretty tough to beat, IMHO. You would not be disappointed with either.

Chuck

Talk about a close call!!!

Carry whatever you can hit with and are willing to carry all the time. I still like a 3� SP101 .357 with Buffalo Bore +P .38s and 4 Speed Strips carrying different types of ammo. It just works for me. I don�t know exactly what a P63 is, but, if that is what I had to deal with, I would learn to deal with it and go from there.

My sentiments exactly. We all have our favorites but build, climate, etc. will determine what you are willing to dedicate yourself to.

George

A G23 and a spare mag should get you out of any trouble your dumb azz allowed you to get into in the first place.

Isn't that the second rule of a gunfight, to have a gun? (The first is to avoid a gunfight if at all possible.) The easier it is to carry, and the more you make it a habit to carry, the more likely you will be to have it when you need it.

Since you don't like carrying hot I would look no farther than a SIG yes a few dollars more but ask yourself one question is your life worth it. If it isn't don't even bother carrying.

I may get flamed for this, but I've been toting a kel-Tec P11 for about a dozen years or more now. Once I ran 250 FMJ rounds through it, it has never malfunctioned once. I hand load the excellent Hornady XTP 124 gr projectiles for it, and they feed and function quite well. If I want to go to ankle carry, I use the original Meg Gar 10 round mags. 11 rounds with a couple of 15 round S&W 59 series mags for back-up gives me a certain comfort level. If I carry on my hip, I have three 15 round mags with me. I don't even notice it's there, and I carry it ALWAYS. I carry in the house, yard, even leave it on the toilet when I'm in the shower. I have many other choices, but have always come back to the arm that affords me enough firepower with all-day comfort. If it's not a problem to carry all day, I'll carry it all day. The long, heavy DOA trigger has improved my shooting on every other platform that I enjoy shooting, and my P11 flat out shoots where I point it. I only need see the front sight, and it's hit if within a reasonable range for this type gun. I live in a fairly good neighborhood, but we have seen an influx of undocumented folks in recent years, and I'm not taking any chances with my family's safety. Though the new folks don't realize it, I understand their language fluently, and I don't care for some of what I hear. They don't need to know that I know what is being said. I figure that's an edge that I may need one day. I hope not, but we'll see. I'm a retired investigator and I know what kind of nut jobs are walking around out there. I have also had my life threatened many times due to the nature of my work. My motto is; Forewarned is forearmed. If they bring it, they had better be good, because I am.

I like the P11. It is a great value and shoots well. I didn't like the fact that it doesn't have hammer block safety, which is a potential drop problem. My other issue is the fact that I carried it at times in an ankle holster, and the barrel would rust out every week when exposed to wet conditions.

That should get you from one end of Laramie to the other in the middle of a melt down with no sweat.

We carry 30+ year old S+W 64's. I do not care for a revolver in a CCW carry. It simply is too fat and uncomfortable. That and I don't want to have to pocket a speed loader when a simple flat extra mag is easy to conceal.

Our departments training is nothing to base anything on. Squat and shoot in a pooping position. One day a year, most of that spent grilling and playing corn hole. %0 rounds a year, that's it.

My personal training is a different matter. All auto and lots of BUG stages. I use ether the P63 or the CZ82 for those. Unfortunately all I have is steel cased FMJ for those. I tried some silver bear HP, and saw zero expansion. Hornady won't feed in the CZ 82.

The two loads that make me consider the 9mm are the CCI short barrel 9mm, and the Remington Saber 9mm. I fired both, and others into our clubs clean clay bank while it was soaked and recovered them. Most impressive. I have no question that either one would change a gang bangers mind in short order.

In a gang attack it is usually the lower guy that is trying for stature that begins the attack. Shoot him. Whoever everyone looks to at that point, if they do, is the leader, kill him if he is attacking, even if he's not the most agressive. 18 years as a C/O, you learn group dynamics.


Then again, contrary to how the instructor teaches at our club, I shoot to cover. I want some obstacle between me and them. I want to give them a chance to break off the attack. I also want to present a tactically sound scenario to the cops. " I sought cover and they pursued me into it."

He might get accosted by a college babe....

Gawd, you're an idiot!

GMTA.

Custom 1911 in a blade tech IWB holster - Glock 17, Blade Tech IWB holster, Taurus Milennium IWB holster, S&W 422 with Crimson trace grips, IWB holster when I go to the opera or theater.

I do recommend a cocked and locked pistol carry or revlover to less experienced folks. Too many AD with Glocks. The Taurus Milennium has a thumb safety, fires double action and allows for a misfire to be struck again with the firing pin if needed. Perhaps a minor attribute but one that has saved lives.

Terry

The Kel-Tec P11 has second strike capability too, and you never can tell when it might be faster than tap, rack, bang maneuvers. The old P11 is an inch thick, and the newer KT 9 is a bit slimmer, but the capacity is not as high.

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I kinda like this one! Been shootin one of these since I was 10 years old! Load with 40 grs. BP and it moves a 255 gr SKWC along quite well! Sights are right on!!