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...it appears over 10 states will soon follow.
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Arizona Legislature OKs Presidential 'Birther' Bill

Published April 15, 2011
Associated Press
November 2, 2010. (AP)

PHOENIX -- The Arizona Legislature gave final approval late Thursday night to a proposal that would require President Obama and other presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names can appear on the state's ballot.

Arizona would become the first state to require such proof if Gov. Jan Brewer signs the measure into law.

Republican Rep. Carl Seel of Phoenix, the author of the bill, said the bill wasn't about opposition to Obama. "This bill is about the integrity of our elections," Seel said.

Thirteen other states have considered similar proposals this year. The proposals were defeated in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana.

The bill won final approval from the state House in a 40-16 vote.

So-called "birthers" contend since the last presidential election that Obama is ineligible to hold the nation's highest elected office because, they argue, he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. The Constitution said a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public. Even though the courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility, the issue hasn't gone away.

"It's a fringe issue in my view, and it's going to cause people to look again at Arizona and say what's all this craziness going on there," said Democratic Rep. Daniel Patterson of Tucson, an opponent of the bill.

The Arizona proposal would require political parties and presidential candidates to hand in affidavits stating a candidate's citizenship and age and to provide the candidate's birth certificate and a sworn statement saying where the candidate has lived for 14 years.

If candidates don't have a copy of their birth certificates, they could meet the requirement by providing baptismal or circumcision certificates, hospital birth records and other documents.

If it can't be determined whether candidates who provided documents in place of their birth certificates are eligible to appear on the ballot, the secretary of state would be able to set up a committee to help determine whether the requirements have been met.

The names of candidates can be kept off the ballot if the secretary of state doesn't believe the candidates met the citizenship requirement.

The Arizona proposal would require political parties and presidential candidates to hand in affidavits stating a candidate's citizenship and age and to provide the candidate's birth certificate and a sworn statement saying where the candidate has lived for 14 years.

Not sure that this is going to accomplish much. Obama will submit his Certificate of Live Birth and some judge will have to decide if that counts as a birth certificate. Wanna bet how that turns out?

That really antagonizes the Dems, doesn't it?

And you can bet your sweet bippy that judge'll be a Dem..

Even Bob won't take THAT bet...

I wonder if she'll sign it? After all her and bammy are pretty tight.

Laffin'....she probably had a courier waiting at the state house.

I disagree, Bob would take that bet in a heartbeat.

I would. There are 5 conservatives on the SC.

Things are getting nasty outside the Beltway, and it's early yet.



Gawd, I hope the "R"s can find someone worthwhile to run against his sorry behind.

Hopefully this is further sign that Conservatives are finally wising up and dealing with the things that socialists use to grab and entrench their power.

Put this together with immigration enforcement, voter ID requirements and right to work laws and it is possible to remove the left from power for generations!

You are very predictable Bob.

Even I wouldn't take that bet.

I have a hard time believing that the 5 conservatives on the SC would ignore The Supremacy Clause and Federal preemption arguments that are sure to basis of challenging this law. My prediction is that this new AZ law gets ruled unconstitutional, is upheld by the appellate courts, and even upheld by the SC if appeals make it that far.

What Federal preemption clause which overcomes the constitution are you speaking if? Supremacy Clause as to a pres. candidate's contitutional qualifications?? You have to be kidding. Please go on....I'm dying to know how you got there.

Bob, can an individual state make the qualifications for runnning for the President of the US (a federal position) more stringent than the current federal requirement? Can a state really preempt current federal qualification requirements?

Are you sure you want to take that bet Bob.

At the moment short form BC's like Hawaii's meet the requirements to get a passport from feds, under the new AZ law this would not be sufficinet to get put on the ballot in AZ. Keep in mind that at the same time a "circumcism" document would be enoug to get put on the ballot.

Have a good weekend Bob.

Ummmm...what's the Fed requirement that replaces the constitutional mandate,again?

You're acting way too confident for someone who's scrambling. You ain't close to being there yet. I'd love to see the circumcision papers and the doctor who performed it....not the tribal witch doctor,mind you.

You are "Presuming" that Arizona gives a FRA what the "Feds" rule, or don't,......and that "Marshalls" are going to be allowed to waltz in and have their way,....( doing WHAT,... selling more guns to the enemy ? )

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I believe the time is rapidly approaching when the States tell the fed to FOAD.

Shoot the wolves.
Drive illegals to the border and point them south.
Build a wall.
Kick out the EPA and ATF.
Etc etc.

Might even see the States tell citizens to stop paying IRS. I would were I Governor of a State. Tell them to send State and Fed taxes to the State Treasury and it'll be doled out to the Fed as the State sees fit. Then tell the Fed if they come and try to arrest citizens the agents will be arrested and imprisoned with extreme prejudice.

Course, I got a lot more guts than most folks...

The push back....
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If I understand correctly, the states are not imposing ADDITIONAL requirements to get on the ballot for POTUS, they are ensuring that the existing requirements are met.

Then who is it up to? The federal election commission has no authority spelled out. They're only interest is campaign donations.

"�It�s an interference with federal supremacy."

That [bleep]' King George azzwhole thought his word was "Supreme" , too,....didn't he ?

I guess he hated Minutemen, too.

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