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I've been able to copy many a graphic and table and paste 'em � intact � as illustrations, into Word and Wordperfect files.

But pasting 'em into Campfire posts doesn't work, because the forum software jumbles 'em into Martian love notes.

The only way that I know how to get around that is to e-mail the copied item to someone who can then post it here.

(I've been unable to get anywhere with Photobucket.)

Once again, I gotta mention FullShot (www.inbit.com). Capture the screen (or selected portion), save it as a .jpg or whatever, and attach it to e-mail.

Simple.

BTDT, many times, with QuickLOAD, QuickDESIGN, and Ballistic Explorer stuff.

Like this from QL Target:

Table of Various Zero Ranges - Trajectory Path to LOS in inches
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Range 100 yd. 200 yd. 300 yd. 400 yd. 500 yd. 600 yd. 700 yd. 800 yd. 900 yd. 1000 yd.
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100 yd. Zero X -2.0 -8.7 -21.0 -40.2 -67.4 -105.8 -156.3 -223.1 -310.0
200 yd. Zero +1.0 X -5.7 -17.0 -35.2 -61.4 -98.8 -148.3 -214.1 -300.0
300 yd. Zero +2.9 +3.8 X -9.4 -25.7 -50.0 -85.5 -133.1 -197.0 -281.0
400 yd. Zero +5.3 +8.5 +7.1 X -13.9 -35.9 -69.0 -114.2 -175.8 -257.4
500 yd. Zero +8.0 +14.1 +15.4 +11.2 X -19.2 -49.4 -91.9 -150.7 -229.5
600 yd. Zero +11.2 +20.5 +25.0 +23.9 +16.0 X -27.1 -66.4 -122.0 -197.6
700 yd. Zero +15.1 +28.2 +36.6 +39.4 +35.3 +23.2 X -35.4 -87.1 -158.9
800 yd. Zero +19.5 +37.1 +49.9 +57.1 +57.4 +49.8 +31.0 X -47.3 -114.6
900 yd. Zero +24.8 +47.6 +65.7 +78.1 +83.7 +81.3 +67.8 +42.0 X -62.1
1000 yd. Zero +31.0 +60.0 +84.3 +103.0 +114.8 +118.6 +111.2 +91.7 +55.9 X

The problem is the tab character. The BBS editor strips tabs and spaces it thinks redundant. You can avoid this by placing text within a code block but the BBS editor doesn't know how the source set tab spacing. So things don't always line up. The only cure that I know of is to manually tweak the formatting.


Bend, odd that you can't get it to highlight, I have version 5.1. It was a free upgrade from 5.0.

I don't mind having to edit the out-of-line stuff. I do mind when I have to write it down then type it.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Thanks for that graph!

Is there a provision for making the trace lines wider?

You ask good questions, I'll have to look. There are graphing options that look infinitely abuseable. Remember that I'm using version 5.1, the version 6 interface may be different.

The answer is yes. The graphing module appears to be a third party package and has extensive setup options. Left click on a graph and a properties window pops up.

'Tain't easy bein' senile! Especially when you're gnawin' your nails to nubs in eager anticipation of special software that promises to fascinate old coots like "Aladdin O'Moore."

I'm especially curious about the new Infinity's design-your-own-bullet feature. I'm looking forward to playing around with that one. Bet it can pacify, puzzle, and foil this ol' fool for hours at a time!

I've designed and redesigned a few cast bullets for rifles and handguns but never a jacketed high-velocity rifle bullet. With the help of good software, I'd love to try-out a few comparisons, especially if the software would estimate the resulting ballistic coefficients �
� plain base versus boat tail,
� a variety of boat-tail shapes,
� tangent ogive versus secant ogive,
� a variety of secant-ogive arcs,
� etc
� not with the hope that I may some day design The World's Best Rifle Bullet but to learn more about how each of the different forms affects down-range performance.

What I most want to see, some day, is a practical way to derive or to predict ballistic coefficients in relation to their flight in air versus their flight in a vacuum. I used to think that that was what a ballistic coefficient was, but it isn't.

A bullet's ballistic coefficient is a numerical index of how its average flight compares with the heavily studied flight of a standard reference projectile � classically, the G-1 but later other standard references (G-7 is the latest that I've heard of).

Nothing else flies exactly like a G-1 except another G-1, and I'm pretty sure that any ten G-1s fly in as many as ten different ways. I'd love to see the day come when ballistic coefficients are more nearly precise, not just bushels of averages and guestimations.

Sierra 6 will let you control c copy and then past the tables. The part that is annoying is I can't seem to copy the column headers/titles.

You can save the graphs as bitmap or jpeg.

You can also do a print screen and paste it into paint/resize.

I have used and enjoyed it. It is easy to compare different loads or projectiles. HTH

Added- I can't get the custom bullet function to work.

I�m leaving the �fire for a while � maybe for good � but not without leaving y�all with a very weak and flimsy interim report of my struggles with Sierra Infinity Suite Six. For now, my advice is � if you have version V Suite and you�re fairly well satisfied with it, save your money for a while. Better men than I am may have more success with it, and a vastly improved Version Seven may come along soon. (Hint, hint, hint, Sierra!)

I have no earlier version to compare it to, and I�m having a hard time with it� just trying to do the specific things that I want to do with it, and comparing it with what some of y�all have already posted in this thread. For example �
� I can not get rid of the default traces in the comparison graph. I assume that it�s possible to do so, but I haven�t found a way to do it, or any instruction on how to do it.�
� Therefore, I haven�t been able to enter my own traces for comparison � one of the most compelling reasons that I had such high hopes for this obviously powerful but extremely disappointing and frustrating software.
� I�d like to be able to make one, two, or more of the load traces bolder. The function that someone has described above isn�t available in v6 Suite. I haven�t been able to make any of the traces heavier.
� I apparently expected too much of the ability to enter my own bullets. I�d hoped that it�d let me design new bullets, but it seems to allow no more than the addition of imaginary new bullet weights, etc. (I�m not complaining � just reporting.) It may be of some value when you want to enter new bullets that weren�t available when Suite Six was concocted.

I�ll just have to wrestle with it a bit longer, I reckon.

Oh, by the way � V6 Suite does NOT include the Sierra Manual. You can access ON-LINE the Sierra.com data base of handloads. The data base may include some loads that aren�t in the manual yet � and maybe weren�t even in the data base a week ago. You can plug a plus sign next to this feature! It�s probably better than having the manual on the CD while Sierra continues to test and add new loads to what will eventually be another Sierra manual some day in the future.




�I don�t do well with �instructions� that tell me such things as �with this vehicle, you can drive from any location on the west coast to any location on the east coast.� Dumb ol� me, I need detailed maps and related information. For me, the struggle with software isn�t the entertainment game that computer nerds and programmers apparently like to play around with and assume that we users do, too.

I have to be told how to open the door, so to speak, then � step-by-step �how to go inside and make myself at home without falling over furniture and stubbing my little toe in the dark before I can fumble around long enough to find the light switch � or at least a candle. �The light switch is just inside the door, shoulder-high on the hinge side. Turn it clockwise for ON and to make the light brighter, counter-clockwise to dim the light or to turn it OFF. There are also auxiliary lamps on the side table on the left side of the room and the desk near the far wall � both with traditional push-button switches in the rear of their bases. In the event of a power outage, candles and strike-anywhere matches are in the waist-high cabinet just to the left of the door.�



I hope that Version Seven will be worlds easier to use and will be more useful in a multitude of simple ways. Right now, I see plenty of possibilities for just that kind of improvement. Expert programmers � if there are any who�re sensitive and sympathetic to the user�s tastes and preferences � should find �em reasonably easy to provide. Try-and-cuss experimentation isn�t the best way to learn how to use any tool.

Sierra�s Infinity series is without doubt one of the best exterior-ballistics programs available. I just wish that Suite Six were easier to use. All my other disappointments are relatively easy to bear (and may not bother anyone else as much as they bother me). I wish that I could endorse it with unbridled enthusiasm. Maybe I�ll be able to later, when I�ve learned how to persuade it to do what it can do.

Thank you for the report, and I, for one, hope for your return to the 'fire.

Take care,
Vic

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Hi Ken, I lost track of this thread. Sorry. Have you gotten Infinity to work any better for you?

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Swifty

No.

I gave-up on it.

I think Sierra goofed big-time, whether on purpose or inadvertently, by dropping some of the best ancillary functions of version five.

I'm hoping that the next version (or an up-date patch) will restore 'em.

Mystifying that they'd do some of that. Did you speak to Sierra? For V5 at least, saying that using parts of the program was counter-intuitive would be kind.

Check your PMs.

Haven't been doing anything with ballistics software for some time now � have been spending all my time doing just two things �

� most of it just dealing with the infirmities of this declining carcass �

� stealing a few moments now 'n' then for a couple of other projects �
(a) reformatting and posting the foreword and fifteen chapters of an old 1986 book, In Step with the Master
(b) starting from scratch to rewrite another old 1986 book that a computer crash destroyed (Upon This Rock)

and of course reminiscing, as all we useless ol' farts do, more and more, as we fade
and
finding some amusement in old jokes, anecdotes, and never-to-be-forgotten escapades and adventures of long ago