It seems sometimes the antibiotics are more dangerous than the disease.
I beg to disagree... the problem with antibiotics is indiscriminate use by people who think that common cold is treated with it... and many organisms develop resistance, since people tend not to take the recommended full course when truly indicated!!!
Whooping couhg can kill and infant yes, the problem is that immunity dwindles after 10 or so years, so now it is being recommeneded that teenagers get a booster shot with the Tetanus booster. It is called the Td shot... What is making many of the problems with immunizations is that some people would rather listen to a porn star rather than their drs about vaccinations. Now what is denominated herd immunity is decreasing (less vaccinated children) thus increasing the chances of spreading disease due to non immune individuals. Same deal with varicella (chicken pox)
Grown ups and teens get a nasty cough, but infants can stop breathing from, have had several babies in the hospital with it from sick household contacts
Rattler you are FOS. You are talking out your @$$. The infection rates are the same in counties in CA whether vaccine rates are high or low. Waning immunity is the reason. Why are they vaccinating all kids again after summer, not just the ones with philosophical or religious exemptions? Vaccination does not equal life-long protection from disease, none of them are, that is why it is coming back around in full force. And we will see more of it in the future. If health officials would require everyone to come back and undergo follow-up blood titers, you would be ph'ing shocked at how many have lost the immune response after as little as 6 months. Except that would cost too much and its too complicated to explain to the masses and expect compliance, nor would vaccine makers want that kind of information out there. Its just too easy for people like you to blame those with a brain in their head who opt out of some that are unnecessary or delay some shots or spread them out so kids aren't getting walloped with that much crap in their system at once. I am not a complete hater, but I am also not a blind follower, and people need to go into this with their eyes open.
actually im not....a good buddy has a PHD in microbiology and have sat and had many conversations with him on vaccines......
there is a reason polio, small pox, whooping cough, measles and how many other disease have gone away.....only coming back now that wholesale vaccinations arent done....you are absolutly right that adults have a declined immunity against these cause the vaccines they had as kids no longer work BUT keeping kids vaccinated keeps the chit from spreading like wildfire.....
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3 of us in the family had it about circa 2007. It SUCKED for a 40 something guy like me. Cough so bad you can't breathe, but thankfully you'll then pass out and start breathing again.
It was about 3 months of my life wasted with little to no sleep.
Nothing can be done about it either. Caught it at an ER where my nephew was hauled for throwing up at a gun show and passing out.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
the reason vaccinations work is the same principle as to why i dont get infections in cuts......my immune system learned how to deal with most the various common bugs that infect cuts when i was crawling around a barn yard as a kid.....all a vaccine does is teach your body how to attack a specific disease or in the case of the flu virus that mutates so readily certain strains of a particular disease.....
the science behind vaccines is actually pretty simple and well documented.....
as to the whole mercury thing in some, if your feeding your kid tuna or any other large ocean going fish, quit beotching....you get more mercury out of a couple large tuna fish sandwiches than you get in all of the vaccines in your life.....
as to Guillain-Barre syndrome from the flu vaccine which someone will bring up before this thread is done......whole list of things cause this syndrome....it turns up at a rate of 1 in 100,000 in the general population but only 20% of these cases are from vaccines.....your chances of dieing from the flu are MUCH higher than your chances of contracting Guillain-Barre syndrome from the vaccine......
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It seems sometimes the antibiotics are more dangerous than the disease.
I beg to disagree... the problem with antibiotics is indiscriminate use by people who think that common cold is treated with it... and many organisms develop resistance, since people tend not to take the recommended full course when truly indicated!!!
Too true, but worse: farmers and factory farms can legally buy unlimited quantities--hundreds of pounds--of antibiotics to treat their animals without prescription that humans need to see a doctor in order to get antibiotic prescriptions in milligram doses. The existence of MRSA, VRSA, and other aggressive and resistant strains (such as the multitude of E coli strains) has been reliably traced to this ag industry "loophole".
Originally Posted by Sponxx
Now what is denominated herd immunity is decreasing (less vaccinated children) thus increasing the chances of spreading disease due to non immune individuals. Same deal with varicella (chicken pox)
Yep. Fewer immunized individuals, more disease. Wish I could say it was all theoretical, but the medical/epidemiological literature is ripe with examples.
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My microbiology professor used to scare us all pretty bad talking about epidemics and pandemics. How easy it would be for someone in Zaire to get E Bola, get on a plane and give it to all of us in the cafeteria. There was a time where such a virulent disease would kill everyone in a village within a couple of days before anyone could reach another to infect. Now, someone can get on a plane and spread a disease anywhere in the World in 24 hours. Scary. I think of that every time I eat in the Chinese Buffet. There's people of all shapes and sizes speaking Spanish. There are black people speaking French, and other languages I don't recognize. Here's my professor in my ear "anywhere in the World in 24 hours."
My take on the whooping cough is that it had to come from somewhere. Geographic isolation and vaccinations did away with it. Someone (or a number of people) had to bring it here. It's going to spread. People are going to get it and all you can do is treat the symptoms.
"I didn't get the sophisticated gene in this family. I started the sophisticated gene in this family." Willie Robertson
Too true, but worse: farmers and factory farms can legally buy unlimited quantities--hundreds of pounds--of antibiotics to treat their animals without prescription that humans need to see a doctor in order to get antibiotic prescriptions in milligram doses.
Used to know what the doc would give me, and in what does for what, and could buy it at the Farmers Co-op for penny's on the dollar, compared to what a trip to the doc and a prescription would cost. Was very careful, never took unless needed, and then if it didn't work pronto, would go see my Physician. Have not done that now for about 20 years, but did it for the twenty before, all is well...
My microbiology professor used to scare us all pretty bad talking about epidemics and pandemics. How easy it would be for someone in Zaire to get E Bola, get on a plane and give it to all of us in the cafeteria. There was a time where such a virulent disease would kill everyone in a village within a couple of days before anyone could reach another to infect. Now, someone can get on a plane and spread a disease anywhere in the World in 24 hours. Scary. I think of that every time I eat in the Chinese Buffet. There's people of all shapes and sizes speaking Spanish. There are black people speaking French, and other languages I don't recognize. Here's my professor in my ear "anywhere in the World in 24 hours."
My take on the whooping cough is that it had to come from somewhere. Geographic isolation and vaccinations did away with it. Someone (or a number of people) had to bring it here. It's going to spread. People are going to get it and all you can do is treat the symptoms.
It came from somewhere, all right. It never really completely went away; and a certain subset of the population, which tends not to get vaccinated due to ignorance ( California Pertussis Summaries ) combines with idiot parents who think vaccines are "unnatural" (news flash... nature is trying to kill you), creating a huge problem for babies and infants that are too young to get immunized.
Too true, but worse: farmers and factory farms can legally buy unlimited quantities--hundreds of pounds--of antibiotics to treat their animals without prescription that humans need to see a doctor in order to get antibiotic prescriptions in milligram doses.
Used to know what the doc would give me, and in what does for what, and could buy it at the Farmers Co-op for penny's compared to what a trip to the doc and a prescription would cost. Was very careful, never took unless needed, and then if it didn't work pronto, would go see my Physician. Have not done that now for about 20 years, but did it for the twenty before, all is well...
if im reading your post right i think you missed the point of the other post.....issue isnt the drugs themselves, its the whole sale use of them unregulated by the ag industry....the drug resistant e. coli bugs we are seeing likely did not originate from a person taking antibiotics they didnt need, they came from some farmers pumping their animals full of the antibiotics when it wasnt needed.....
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I got to thinking the DPT shot we all get as babies covered whooping cough. I have to prove I had it for every job I ever applied to. I have my immunization records in my brief case with my resume and letters. Heck, you can't board a cat without showing their immunization records.
I have to tell you about my worries about bugs. I take care of 5 little old ladies and worry for them. I'm pretty sturdy but I could bring something home that would be very bad. Working with kids, you know. The same professor I talked about earlier said that kids are incubators for germs. The younger they are, the weaker their immune systems. Germs can become more virulent in children and by the time you get them they are much worse. A baby can run a fever high enough to kill an adult. They have other mechanisms of defense (and their mortality is higher too). I worry every day about bringing something home. I worry about the girl who helps us a day a week that comes in from the nursing home too.
"I didn't get the sophisticated gene in this family. I started the sophisticated gene in this family." Willie Robertson
My microbiology professor used to scare us all pretty bad talking about epidemics and pandemics. How easy it would be for someone in Zaire to get E Bola, get on a plane and give it to all of us in the cafeteria. There was a time where such a virulent disease would kill everyone in a village within a couple of days before anyone could reach another to infect. Now, someone can get on a plane and spread a disease anywhere in the World in 24 hours. Scary. I think of that every time I eat in the Chinese Buffet. There's people of all shapes and sizes speaking Spanish. There are black people speaking French, and other languages I don't recognize. Here's my professor in my ear "anywhere in the World in 24 hours."
My take on the whooping cough is that it had to come from somewhere. Geographic isolation and vaccinations did away with it. Someone (or a number of people) had to bring it here. It's going to spread. People are going to get it and all you can do is treat the symptoms.
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especially now. It once was only the wealthy could travel quickly world wide. Then the business class Now? Look about in any major airport. It looks like steerage class !
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