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"I suspect that most satisfied T3 customers are not experienced rifle buyers. A person who has never owned a fine rifle is much more likely to be tolerant of an economy rifle's shortcomings than an experienced shooter and hunter. The relative newcomer simply has inadequate personal experience upon which to base an informed opinion."

Now I know who chuck hawks is and will make sure to avoid any more of his wisdom.

The only con I can really think of is the stock and its purely cosmetic. I keep hoping boyds will bring out a laminate soon but they need to hear the request so go to their page and fill out the form.(ask for the prarie hunter please)
https://boydsgunstocks.questionpro.com/

Hey swampy did your Rem 700 .270 do this at 600yards out of the box? If I recall correctly the black portion measures 4", bottom three were shot first then a couple clicks were added for the rest.

I also love the fact you will dismiss someone like Mackay who does it for real on a regular basis but we're expected to take your word as the gospel.

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Looks like a totally different bolt design. Are the magazine and trigger guard plastic on the A7's ?

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Looks like a totally different bolt design. Are the magazine and trigger guard plastic on the A7's ?


It's a 75 bolt with a plastic shroud from the factory. He replaced it with an 85 bolt shroud..the magazine has metal feed inserts..everything else is plastic.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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All this tikka talk makes me want to buy one...I like that fluted barrel lightweight they sell at Sportsmens warehouse. All it needs is the aluminum bolt shroud and I am happy.
What I don't understand is how the hell people are breaking the factory plastic shrouds or what difference it makes anyway. I mean really, the bolt shroud is a non stressed part that's only there for looks. The rifle will function without the damn thing. My older Tikka 595 and 695 appear to have the same shrouds as the new T-3's and neither have so much as a crack after 11 years of use.


Me neither. 11 years and counting on my 695 7mag, that shoots everything I feed it sub MOA.


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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
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Looks like a totally different bolt design. Are the magazine and trigger guard plastic on the A7's ?


It's a 75 bolt with a plastic shroud from the factory. He replaced it with an 85 bolt shroud..the magazine has metal feed inserts..everything else is plastic.
Thank's Oldelkhunter. Can't see the point in the A-7 when it appears about all it amounts to is a Tikka with a higher price tag and a bolt that isn't as well designed because it uses a plastic bolt shroud as an essential, stressed component where, as we discussed before, the Tikka's shroud is non stressed/ non essential.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Looks like a totally different bolt design. Are the magazine and trigger guard plastic on the A7's ?


It's a 75 bolt with a plastic shroud from the factory. He replaced it with an 85 bolt shroud..the magazine has metal feed inserts..everything else is plastic.
Thank's Oldelkhunter. Can't see the point in the A-7 when it appears about all it amounts to is a Tikka with a higher price tag and a bolt that isn't as well designed because it uses a plastic bolt shroud as an essential, stressed component where, as we discussed before, the Tikka's shroud is non stressed/ non essential.


IIRC the A-7 shroud is metal with a plastic coating, not completely plastic like the T-3 shroud.

The shroud on the T-3 (and virtually all BA rifles) DOES perform a safety function. The shroud is there to block gasses which enter the bolt from contacting the face of the shooter should a primer be pierced.

I prefer a more robust shroud than that on the T-3.


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Originally Posted by nsaqam
Originally Posted by Blackheart
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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Looks like a totally different bolt design. Are the magazine and trigger guard plastic on the A7's ?


It's a 75 bolt with a plastic shroud from the factory. He replaced it with an 85 bolt shroud..the magazine has metal feed inserts..everything else is plastic.
Thank's Oldelkhunter. Can't see the point in the A-7 when it appears about all it amounts to is a Tikka with a higher price tag and a bolt that isn't as well designed because it uses a plastic bolt shroud as an essential, stressed component where, as we discussed before, the Tikka's shroud is non stressed/ non essential.


IIRC the A-7 shroud is metal with a plastic coating, not completely plastic like the T-3 shroud.

The shroud on the T-3 (and virtually all BA rifles) DOES perform a safety function. The shroud is there to block gasses which enter the bolt from contacting the face of the shooter should a primer be pierced.

I prefer a more robust shroud than that on the T-3.


That is correct I forgot about the shroud on the A7 being plastic coated metal

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Originally Posted by Swampman700
Chuck makes some excellent points here. If you want a plastic deer rifle the Tikka might be it. For $350.00 you can buy something better.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/critical_look_T3.htm


pfft. Chuck Hawks needs to get over himself.


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Originally Posted by ExpatFromOK
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Chuck makes some excellent points here. If you want a plastic deer rifle the Tikka might be it. For $350.00 you can buy something better.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/critical_look_T3.htm


pfft. Chuck Hawks needs to get over himself.


and people pay to see other stuff he writes ROTFLMFAO

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Originally Posted by Swampman700
Any boltaction rifle will shoot 1 1/2 MOA. If it won't do 1/2 that, it should be traded off to someone you dislike.

All my Remington 700s shoot 1/2 MOA or better right out of the box.


I bet if I said that I have a dog, you would tell me that you have an elephant.


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Originally Posted by ExpatFromOK
I bet if I said that I have a dog, you would tell me that you have an elephant.


No, but I'd advise against a plastic deer rifle that's expensive.


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Originally Posted by Swampman700
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I bet if I said that I have a dog, you would tell me that you have an elephant.


No, but I'd advise against a plastic deer rifle that's expensive.


No 700 is going to run with a Tikka ..just not going to happen.

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Well if every Titka will shoot under 1/2 MOA, then that's good for a plastic rifle.


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Originally Posted by Swampman700
Well if every Titka will shoot under 1/2 MOA, then that's good for a plastic rifle.


The number of people willing to face you in an "off the rack" challenge between Tikkas and 700's would number in the thousands. Actual people, actual rifles, actual targets & real bullets...not just keyboard marksmanship.


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Originally Posted by nsaqam
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Looks like a totally different bolt design. Are the magazine and trigger guard plastic on the A7's ?


It's a 75 bolt with a plastic shroud from the factory. He replaced it with an 85 bolt shroud..the magazine has metal feed inserts..everything else is plastic.
Thank's Oldelkhunter. Can't see the point in the A-7 when it appears about all it amounts to is a Tikka with a higher price tag and a bolt that isn't as well designed because it uses a plastic bolt shroud as an essential, stressed component where, as we discussed before, the Tikka's shroud is non stressed/ non essential.


IIRC the A-7 shroud is metal with a plastic coating, not completely plastic like the T-3 shroud.

The shroud on the T-3 (and virtually all BA rifles) DOES perform a safety function. The shroud is there to block gasses which enter the bolt from contacting the face of the shooter should a primer be pierced.

I prefer a more robust shroud than that on the T-3.
Horse puckey ! You aren't seriously telling me you, Tikka or anybody else has any expectations of being protected from 60,000 psi gasses by a 1/32" thick plastic shroud are you ? And if anybody is worried about the factory shroud there are at least two aftermarket aluminum shrouds available that I'm aware of.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Horse puckey ! You aren't seriously telling me you, Tikka or anybody else has any expectations of being protected from 60,000 psi gasses by a 1/32" thick plastic shroud are you ?


Nope, I'd say the plastic T-3 shroud would end up in your face but a steel or aluminum one may work just fine dealing with whatever gas gets into the bolt body from a pierced primer.

One advantage of the cheap Savage 110 action is that the back of the bolt is completely blocked by the bolt assembly screw.


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Originally Posted by nsaqam
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Horse puckey ! You aren't seriously telling me you, Tikka or anybody else has any expectations of being protected from 60,000 psi gasses by a 1/32" thick plastic shroud are you ?


Nope, I'd say the plastic T-3 shroud would end up in your face but a steel or aluminum one may work just fine dealing with whatever gas gets into the bolt body from a pierced primer.

One advantage of the cheap Savage 110 action is that the back of the bolt is completely blocked by the bolt assembly screw.
I don't know about you but I'm thinking Tikka is probably relying on the stepped, steel flange of the approx 3/8" thick, rear section of the firing pin, which is held in place by the dovetailed root of the bolt handle, to deflect errant gasses in the event of a pierced primer.

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OK you win.

Where can I order plastic shrouds for my other rifles?

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