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not tobys, theres been quite a few others who blew up savage muzzle loaders, wakeman included.

Swampman, today CVA barrels are made by Bergara which comply to the Euro proof house ( to be sold in Europe all the Dikar barrels were proofed). Bergara is a modern barrel making plant that was put in activity by US specialists from Shilen (if i recall well). The Bergara booth in the IWA show in Nurnberg is managed by more US citizens than spanish ones. The Bergara plant is modern and efficient. They use good steel as good as yours in the US and quality is serious. So the Dikar adventure is behind CVA. Note they recalled some serie of muzzleloader that were "risky". Go to Bergara web site you'll find good infos.
I maintain as most specialists and independant proof testing units that 99% of problems with muzzle loaders come from misuse or misunderstanding of loading and care procedure. Then as all man made products you can have a failure sometime....
Dom

Not all of them....



Not according to the company that made them.

I don't mind if others own them, I just don't want to be near one when it's fired.

why not swampy? wakeman shot plenty of cva's before he went to work for savage

Swampy i'm not so fluent in english it's may be why you don't understand what i wrote: Dikar barrels for Europe were ALL proofed. Read the Wakeman report it's written and it must go like that in EEC.
Dom

All the APEX barrels are Bergara's, go to Bergara web site.

Marseille,

Your information in your previous post is correct, please accept our apologies for Swampy
not accepting your information as accurate. Please do not judge us all here for "Swampys" arguements on this forum. He is a problem, but we would be glad to give him a one way ticket to France or any where for that matter.

Doc

I shot CVAs before I knew better. My post is correct, and I stand by it.

LOL yet u never blew up huh.

No, but many spanish made front stuffers have. I rarely use more than 80 grains of 3f and I'm a risk taker anyway.

no where near the amount of remingtons that have gone up in smoke.

Misuse is just that. You take a couple red necks, get a couple beers into them, they buy a muzzle loader, dunk it into a creek and try to see if it will still fire, isnt the products fault if it explodes.

The failures weren't caused by misuse. Spanish made Remingtons are just as dangerous as the rest.

how about the russian made remingtons?

One word: Schmuck

This isn't about centerfire rifles.

why not? plenty of remingtons exploded.

No they haven't....moot point if they had....

they have had. Triggers were a huge safety issue.

From what I have seen even those that failed � minus the recall � failed do to improper loading and poor maintenance.
Lets remember that the recall by CVA was also voluntary . They saw a potential for an issue and pulled the guns . No different then 90% of the recalls on automobiles that we all hear about every day .

Most times even those are derived from someone having an issue . .
Sometimes the result is that folks create issues to collect from what they see as deep pockets. How many of those cases happen we just don�t know . But as with the case of automobiles, we do know that it does happen

The other thing ,is that IMO , TB purposefully did not maintain the savage he blew .
Was it part of his tests ??? I don�t know and don�t care .
If truth were fully known RW , imo may also fall under this same category . Detailed photos like those shown of TB�s gun would be needed , as well as truthful descriptions of what happened . But that�s never going to happen in either case .
As to why no lawsuit .
This is just my opinion but the biggest is money . Has all the Bla , Bla effected CVA sales . No not really .
Until that actually happens and only if the cause can be traced directly to RW or the likes of swampman here , there isn�t IMO any real reason to sue .
No mater how much many of us would like to see that happen

No they haven't...

The spanish made muzzleloaders that blew up where defective....period.

Proverbs states " Never answer a fool in his folly. lest he think himself wise..."

I guess I should quit answering them then.