Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Elk Hunting Is the 6.5 Creedmoor a 600 yard Elk cartridge?

I agree 100%. Peoples preception of what is ethical or acceptable is everything to them and may have nothing to do with reality.

I am not against archery hunting in any way, however I have seen far more animals lost and wounded by archery hunting than I have rifle hunting.

The argument often comes into play about having enough energy to kill your game animal. How much energy does a broadhead fired from a compound bow have? I can tell you it's not much and far less than the average rifle used for hunting at even the extreme ranges. What about a knife used by hound hunters on pigs? How much energy does it have?

What about the size of your projectile? A broadhead's size is fixed once it hits it's target. The right bullet can literally explode into the vitals and still exit.

What about distance to target? Archery equipment uses crude, rudimentary sights for shoting out to 60 yards and beyond. Long range hunters use high precision scopes along with other tools to make 1000 yard shots or beyond. I would take the quality scope, steady rest, known ballistic flight pattern, and a wind meter any day for precision over a post and peep archery sight.

Me either. Just pointing out the double standard.

Also I have seen a lot more hunters have deer get away after being shot with a muzzle loader round ball.

Only problem there is that when they get away you're never really sure how good the shot was.

Well we seen a video of John Burns dumping an elk with a 140 Berger from a 264 WM at 686 yards on another thread...

..anyone wanna run the numbers and tell us how much "better" the 264 is at 686 than the 260 is at 600 with the same bullet?

I would think bullet structure and placement will play into it more than anything else.

agreed...

The .264 is most definitely more devastating, due to the overwhelming preponderance of Kinetic Energy (note the capitals). It kills 'em DRT, like the hammer of Thor (also capitalized).

smokepole: Faster....

I was just wondering at what distance the 264 sorta becomes a 6.5 Creedmoor.

You can't measure that far, it's the distance to the little sideways "8" on your parallax adjustment.

That's how much kinetic energy is conferred by virtue of the term "magnum" in the cartridge name. DRT!!

Bob,

By my calculations the 6.5 Creedmoor hit Wayne�s bull with a little over 1200ft/lbs. I generated the numbers using a G1 BC and so 2087 fps terminal velocity is a little optimistic but it gives us a good idea.

The 264 Win Mag load that I killed the 668yd bull with drops to slightly over 1200ft/lbs at 1100yds at the same altitude and temp conditions that Wayne killed his bull.

The much better BC of the 140 VLD is a big deal when we really try and stretch the distance. (The extra 250 fps helps some)

It isn�t twice as far but it darn near to twice.

That is impressive but everyone knows it takes 2,000 ft-lbs to kill an elk. I read that in a book by a famous gunwriter so I know it's true.

I'm not ragging on the 264 either, I can't because I have a barrel on order.

Smokepole what barrel contour and what action is it going on.

It's a 26" Krieger #3 going on a pre-64 Action and into this stock (the top one):

That never occurred to me and I doubt it is the case.

That said, your calculations are more optimistic than mine.



Hornady factory ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor, 129g SST, 2950fps MV, B.C. .485
Point Blank calculator, 1.8a
600 yards = 1935fps, 1072fpe

To get 1200fpe at 600 I have to jump the muzzle velocity to 3093fps.

John: Thanks. That's really good for a small cartridge at 600 yards.

The 264 is indeed impressive....I recall the "smacks" and dust flying at 1200

THAT was fun!

The muzzle velocity on Waynes rifle with the factory ammo was 2975fps (26 inch barrel) and the real G1 BC of the 129 SST is 0.460.

1248 Ft/Lbs at 600yds and 2087fps retained velocity.

I tend to lean to the hunting side vs shooting.

The shooting side fills the feezer.

I live for all of it...

Pat,

You're lucky! You get to work and live for it!

Alan