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Vihta Vuori powder is really good stuff. I use N135 quite a bit. Give CR's loads a good look see Jorge. I get very decent 20-25fps for 10 shot string hi-low. w/N135 as my example (NOT in 405),but it seems to be quite uniform stuff all around.
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I'll check it out if the RL15 stuff doesn't pan out. But man there is a HUGE difference in burn rates between the two powders!
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Just some thoughts on the 405.......
405 is an interesting round but if you want a serious 40 caliber lever gun, pick up a BLR in 30-06, send it off to Fred Zegin and get it made into a 411 Hawk.
Considerably more thump, can be twisted for 400s (which the 405 is not).
Ballistics exceed the 450/400 which killed everything that walked.
Shorter lever throw, detachable magazine, take down available, scope mounting option, no big box hanging out the bottom to make field carry a pain in the butt and so on.
Another neat option to equal the 405 w/300 gr bullets is to buy a detach magazine 99 in 308. Buy a 284 magazine. Get the 99 rebored and rechambered to a 411/284.
Same powder capacity with 300 grainers as a 400 Whelen which also outstrips the 405. Again a sleek, low scope rifle.
405 has nostalgia in spades, especially in the 95'. If you want ballistics there are better choices in both the #1 or lever guns.
Once owned a "real" 1895 in 405 with the horrible rifle buttplate. Tried a few "full house" 300 gr loads ...... talk about pain ! Nice cast bullet gun and now in a Winchester lover's collection.
Good shootin to all. Don't post on my thread.
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I have a Japanese 1895 in 405 and it is a great shooter as well though I needed to sand down the front stock where it buts into the receiver to get it shooting it's best. I like the Hornady 300 Spitzers though it shoots the FP's a bit better. Lots of fun. I just slipped on a slip on recoil pad over the steel butt-plate and the weight takes care of recoil. Have replaced the sights with a post front and a Williams Fool Proof rear and it shoots as well as I can. Lots of charisma and should handle anything in North America up to 200 yds or so.
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I wanted a 405 long before Winchester re-made them. I couldn�t help myself when they came out. It was a perfect buffalo gun. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z473/358norma/buffpic-1.jpg)
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I've got one of the new Winchester 95s.
I can't think of a thing I'd change.
I use it as a cast bullet only gun, no sense using jacketed slugs.
Jim
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I wanted a 405 long before Winchester re-made them. I couldn�t help myself when they came out. It was a perfect buffalo gun. Sweet! what ammo did you use, distance, etc. Details man, details! 
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Very nice bison. Tonight we had medallions of Bison backstrap from the one I took with my 1886 .45-90 earlier this month. Yummy. I agree that the 1895 .405 is a great rifle for buffalo, but since I had used mine to take a water buffalo two years ago, it was the 1886 turn to feed the extended family. ![[Linked Image]](http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m207/CRS0137/th_100_2064.jpg)
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A meat bull or cow is on my bucket list with the .405 and the Win M95. Can't think of a better way to get some low cholesterol red meat. Teddy would like it ever so much.
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Successful mission men. Matched the North Fork solids to POI with the North Fork Softs as well as the TSX. Three shots in the bull are one of each and the two about 2" above were before sight adjustment at 60 yards. Velocities were 2207, 2210 and 2230 respectively. Incidentally, these targets, when laid at about a 45 deg angle, almost match the kill zone traingle of a Cape Buff exactly. I'm ready... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc437/jorgeIg/405tgt.jpg)
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From one of the guys over on AR, it CAN BE DONE! ![[Linked Image]](http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x112/ledvm/DSCF0167.jpg)
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Shot the bison/buffalo with factory Hornady Custom 300gr, haven't reloaded for it yet because I haven't shot it much since the hunt. Didn't see any reason to reload before the hunt because the first 3 shots out of the gun cloverleafed on the bullseye at 50 yard. I couldn't belive how it shot! I actueally knocked the center out of the target with the first shot out of the gun and had to walk to the taget to confirm. Shot number 4 killed the buffalo. The guide said he had never seen a buffalo knocked off his feet like the 405 did. Said he had seen buffalo shot with 375H&H and not knocked down like this one did. Bullet had about 75% weight retention, and was stuck just under the off side skin. Shot at 75ish yards right behind the front shoulder. Gave me a bad itch to start a 405 buffalo colection, maybe water buff, and a cape buff?? Think I'll reload for those.....
This Bison was the best $1500 I have ever spent hunting. I will do it again. My 12 year old actually asked me often when I am going to go shoot another one. Very good eating!
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Jorge,
Looks like you are ready! Have a good hunt and remember to report with pictures.
BTW, I did slap down a bison last month with my .45-90. I will do a post on it soon as I get time.
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Shelton: I ordered some VV133 to try out and I'll report back. What primers do you use? I'm using F210s. jorge
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The 405 is a good cartridge. With powders available today it can do alot of things that it couldn't when it was new. Using powders like rl12 (discontinued) and rl15 it's quite easy to put a 300 gr bullet over the 2300 fps mark. You can also load 400 gr bullets with the rifles 14 inch twist it'll handle them alright, but the throats on a saami spec reamer are a little short , so the bullets have to be seated pretty deep in the case. Also getting them to the oal to cycle thru a 95's action almost does away with any benefits. It's also a great cast bullet cartridge. Buffalo Arms has a .413 diameter 300 gr gas check bullet that is both exceptionally accurate and has a meplat that is more than sufficient for hunting. AA 5744 powder is the best I've found in my rifle with cast. Recoil is significant,but the addition of a recoil pad to the new winchester 95's is helpful in both lenghting the pull and taming the recoil. ![[Linked Image]](http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/Ranch137/405elk3.jpg)
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Ranch: Been working with RL-15 but it seems velocity "flattens out" right at 56-7 grains so I'm going to give VV 133 a try. I just want to get to 2250 and actually I'll take the original 2200 specs.
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Yes many powders do that in straight wall cases, what that's telling you is that's all the powder that case and bullet can use and to go further up in charge weight is just an excercise in burning powder.
4895 will put you smack dab on the original ballistics.(see hogdons data)
4320 is a powder that should work very well.
Ramshot Biggame is a powder I had intended to try in the 405, but I got side tracked with it in the 30-30 ai, and ended up shooting the whole can up and never got a round of 405 loaded with it. ( Accurate as hell in the ai,velocity wasn't great but you can head shoot coyotes at 200 yds all day long...)
Anyway keep in mind that generally ball powders slow in burn rate when loaded in a straightwalled case.
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RL-15 seems to be that powder. I'll try H4895 if the VV doesn't give me what I want, but if you read CRshelton's post, it appears VV 133 is the ticket. 2250 fps and same POI with a variety of bullets.
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