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Understood and your spot on. The rifle it self is right at 7 lbs 4 oz. 2.5x8 lupy is another 11oz plus talleys and sling.
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While this thread is comparing the 300 WSM to the 30-06, a closer comparison would be the 300 WSM and the 300 WM. The WM is a little more powerful than the WSM, but not much. The WSM is much closer to the WM than it is to the 30-06. You might call it a WM Light. If you have experience with the WM, you pretty well know what the WSM will do.
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If you have a 30/06 you have hunted a lot with, the advantage of being familiar with that rifle will FAR out weigh any nebulous advantage to the larger case capacity of the 300 WSM.
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The WSM will mount a shorter scope....dats it!
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While this thread is comparing the 300 WSM to the 30-06, a closer comparison would be the 300 WSM and the 300 WM. The WM is a little more powerful than the WSM, but not much. The WSM is much closer to the WM than it is to the 30-06. You might call it a WM Light. If you have experience with the WM, you pretty well know what the WSM will do. Nicely said, I've been thinking the same thing lately and almost willing to give up my 300 win mag since getting my new wsm. It's (300wm) the only left hander in the stable though, so I'm conflicted as to whether or not I should get rid of it
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Somehow I managed to get both a .30-06 and a .300 WSM in the gun safe. They're both good rifles. My WSM is set up for longer range shooting, while the .30-06 is a generalist.
My standard '06 load is a 165 at 2750. It's only a 21" barrel, and I could push it harder, but it shoots well there.
The .300 WSM shoots a 200 at 2815 fps, from a 24" barrel.
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In my case is there a meaningful difference between 30 06 and 300 wsm under 400 yards?
IME, no. I think the 300 WSM starts to shine past 500 yards, and with heavier bullets. You won't go wrong with either provided you shoot them well.
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Many rifle ctg combos will work. Pick something that appeals to you and in which you have confidence. Then practice.
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Mac-do you have any kind of 200's sitting around bored that I can give a run?
I'd still like to run the 200 HC or Sierra in my short 30 mag.
The 190 Horn is another bullet I kind of like as well. I know Ingwe's filled up a few arks with that bullet out of his H&H and liked it so gotta believe it'll do well in a short mag. Right..? It shoots well in mine, but then again mines a jelly bean rifle...grin
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I've got some 30 cal. 185 VLD's you can give a run..
I've now got some 200gr. GK's loaded over RL17 and Hunter to try out this week in my SAUM, and then we'll see where those go.
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Mac-do you have any kind of 200's sitting around bored that I can give a run?
I'd still like to run the 200 HC or Sierra in my short 30 mag.
The 190 Horn is another bullet I kind of like as well. I know Ingwe's filled up a few arks with that bullet out of his H&H and liked it so gotta believe it'll do well in a short mag. Right..? It shoots well in mine, but then again mines a jelly bean rifle...grin
Dober Dober, have 3 qty 200 NAB's and 3 Qty 200 NP's left. I got dibs on them However, have a full box of 208 A-Max's and you're welcome to as many as you want. Gave them a run today... they shoot GREAT.
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Hunt the '06, and with the time saved with load development for the wizzum, get in shape. Good answer
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My experience as well. And the elk I've shot with both rounds died quickly, even though the ballistics of the .300 WSM were more than the .30-06.
The .300 WSM is pretty easy to load for, but in my experience the .30-06 is as well. I have also killed elk with both rounds and have to agree.
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Mac-do you have any kind of 200's sitting around bored that I can give a run?
I'd still like to run the 200 HC or Sierra in my short 30 mag.
The 190 Horn is another bullet I kind of like as well. I know Ingwe's filled up a few arks with that bullet out of his H&H and liked it so gotta believe it'll do well in a short mag. Right..? It shoots well in mine, but then again mines a jelly bean rifle...grin
Dober Mark, I have some 200gr Partitions and Accubonds I can send if you want some. Oh, I have a bunch of 190 Hornadys as well. Just let me know.
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Where the 300 WSM will shine is running the wonderful 200-gn Accubond (BC .588) at close to 2900 fps. There you've got a great setup from 7 yards to 700 yards.
BUT, aside from the advantages of the higher SD of the 200 NAB over the 165 NAB on closer shots (the 200 will out-penetrate on average), the 200 from the wizzum won't show a meaningful advantage until you get out past 400 yds or so, and/or in windy conditions. At that point the 200 will thoroughly trounce the 165 (I shoot both, from an '06 and a 300 WM).
The 200 NAB from the WSM is better in every way, close to far, but does it actually matter? Not on a broadside elk, and not under 400-ish yards. If you are desiring the ability to take tougher-angled shots that broadside and/or shooting longer than 400 I'd go WSM/200 Accubond all the way.
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Jeff You keep getting farther and farther from what it takes to kill an elk in the field. Sectional density doesn't kill an elk and small differences in wind drift don't either. What kills elk is somebody that can hit a basketball sized target quickly from field positions with a decent bullet. A reasonably light rifle is a big help as is a rugged scope. To hit a basketball sized target quickly requires frequent practice and familiarity with the rifle. MOST PEOPLE cannot handle the recoil of a 200 grain bullet at 300 WSM velocities in a light rifle. That is said after years of working the sight in day at rifle ranges, and years of watching big tough guys from back east show up to hunt and not being able to hit a deer or an at 100 yards with their beloved magnums. I also know there are lots of people here that shoot enough to handle a 300 WSM- I didn't say no one could handle the recoil, I said that most people can't- I get the drizzling shizits every time an elk rifle discussion starts and people yard out their ballistic charts, wind meters, micrometers to measure group size to the nearest 10/1000 inch. Fer craps sake, elk hunting IS NOT precision riflery except under the most unusual circumstances. I wonder how many people that sort through bullets to trim a 1/16 of an inch off their group size could put three shoots from offhand into an 8 inch circle at 100 yards. And I have never ever heard of an elk struck by any decent bullet from a 30/06 that got away when a 300 WSM would have killed him with the same placement.
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Fred...I think a great deal of this is theoretical vs. actual...
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One of the better quotes I've heard at work (in regards to elk hunting):
"Just get to where you can make the shot, and shoot it through the [bleep] lungs."
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Ingwe LOL Yea, but the poor OPer just was just wanting to know if he should take a 30/06 that he has used a lot or a 300 WSM that was new to him on an elk hunt. Seemed like the thread got a long way off track. Somebody should tell the guy that the kind of boots he wears has a lot more to do with his elk hunting than the differences in terminal ballistics between an 06 and a 300 WSM-
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Ingwe .... the thread got a long way off track. Somebody should tell the guy that the kind of boots he wears has a lot more to do with his elk hunting than the differences in terminal ballistics between an 06 and a 300 WSM-
Fred I think you just did Fred... Now if someone would just get it through to JeffO....
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