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Its about the suppressor thing! I bought some brass for $50 for 250 shipped, Lake City trimmed, formed and cleaned. That should hold me for a while.
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The 6.8 runs a 110 gr boolit at 2750 and the blackout runs the same weight bullet at 2450. That's the same? That's like saying the 06 and 300 win are the same. The 6.8spc and 6.5G are both better rounds ballistically, but you get it at the cost of special brass and magazines. Magazines, OK, that's somewhat true, though 6.8 magazines are readily available and cheap. Brass though? How is 6.8 brass "special" and .300 Blackout not special? You're either buying brass with the correct head stamp which is 10X less popular and available as 6.8spc brass or you're buying/making modified .223/.221 brass. .300 Black out brass is the very definition of "special brass". Good 6.8spc magazines are not what I consider cheaper, PRI/Barrett - $35-40+. Just bought 300 pieces of 300blk converted brass for $57.75/shipped. Last time I bought 6.8 brass was from SSA and it's about $55-60 shipped for 100pcs. I'm done justifying why I bought what I bought, I'm glad that you enjoy pushing your agenda on everyone else.
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Good 6.8spc magazines are not what I consider cheaper, PRI/Barrett - $35-40+.
Just bought 300 pieces of 300blk converted brass for $57.75/shipped. Last time I bought 6.8 brass was from SSA and it's about $55-60 shipped for 100pcs.
I'm done justifying why I bought what I bought, I'm glad that you enjoy pushing your agenda on everyone else.
I never asked you to justify what you bought, just to stop making questionable claims. It's a cool round and has it's place. I have considered buying one on several occasions. But you keep making bullshyt statements and then when you get called on them, you get all hurt and claim people have an agenda. The only agenda I have is, people making questionable claims. I don't care what you paid for converted once fired. It's "converted once fired". It is by that very name, "SPECIAL". You can give anecdotal evidence of what you overpaid for 6.8SPC, the fact is you can buy Remington brass all over the place for $43 and this is the first time in 2 years Silver State hasn't had it on sale for $45. And if you want high quality, you can buy Hornady. 3 major manufacturers make 6.8spc. That's not "special". And I love how you point to the most expensive 6.8spc magazines (PRI) as evidence. Never mind that until recently C Products made decent 6.8 mags for under $15 and now D&H makes affordable 6.8 mags.
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It's all about the can and always has been since the 300 Whisper came out.
Running lighter bullets supersonic is nothing but marketing.
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Whatever, you win.
Turn this 300blk thread into a 300blk vs 6.8/6.5
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It's all about the can and always has been since the 300 Whisper came out.
Running lighter bullets supersonic is nothing but marketing.
Exactly. The can and running heavy for caliber bullets subsonic without a can. That is what the Whisper/Fireball was designed for and where it excels.
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It's all about the can and always has been since the 300 Whisper came out.
Running lighter bullets supersonic is nothing but marketing.
Oh, I guess AK ballistics pushing 125gr Nosler BT's is "marketing". Pretty damn good marketing, IMO.
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Oh, I guess AK ballistics pushing 125gr Nosler BT's is "marketing". Pretty damn good marketing, IMO.
7.62x39 pushes a 123gr bullet at 2400 fps. .300 blackout pushes a 125gr bullet at 2215fps. The stated .300 Blackout performance on a 110gr bullet above was 2450fps. How are you getting "AK ballistics"? Yeah, you're getting a similar fps...... with a 10% lighter bullet than the 7.62x39. And who ever bought a 7.62x39 for the ballistics? They're bought for ultra cheap, available ammo.
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It's all about the can and always has been since the 300 Whisper came out.
Running lighter bullets supersonic is nothing but marketing.
Oh, I guess AK ballistics pushing 125gr Nosler BT's is "marketing". Pretty damn good marketing, IMO. Well let's get this right, Remington's ad would read; Not as fast as the AK or even the 30 carbine, the 30/30, the 30AR or many other rounds but it can be loaded subsonic! Great marketing... grin
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The 6.8 runs a 110 gr boolit at 2750 and the blackout runs the same weight bullet at 2450. That's the same? That's like saying the 06 and 300 win are the same. Too Funny! Yes the 30-06 and the 300 Win are about the same. Not a nickles worth of difference in them. You must be new to the world of cartridges and ballistics to believe a 300WM will kill something that a 30-06 will not. Same with these 3 little cartridges there is nothing in this whole wide world that you can kill with a 6.8 that you cannot kill equally well with a 223.
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The 6.8 runs a 110 gr boolit at 2750.... That's pretty impressive. What load is that, and how much barrel length? I've noticed most of the commercial 110gr loads are in the 2550-2600 fps range, with a 20" bbl.
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I would think the 300 Blackout would make a viable deer round to 200 yards or so, via 125gr Ballistic Tips at 2200 fps MV.
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For discussion sake...
300blk 110gr @ 2450fps energy muzzle 1466 100yds 1170 200yds 928 300yds 729 400yds 568
6.8spc 110gr @ 2750fps energy muzzle 1847 100yds 1566 200yds 1325 300yds 1115 400yds 932
interesting... "Same realm"..... Laughin.. Then add in that rainbow trajectory from the slower speed and garbage BC. Laughin as well, tell me what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other? 30-06 vs 223 now there is a difference. Besides the 6.8 is slowly dieing out, fewer and fewer rounds are loaded and purchased each year....
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Laughin as well, tell me what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other? 30-06 vs 223 now there is a difference. Besides the 6.8 is slowly dieing out, fewer and fewer rounds are loaded and purchased each year....
Yeah, that's why more bullet manufacturers keep adding 6.8spc specific bullets to their lineup. Hornady, Nosler and Barnes in the past year alone. Unlike you, they don't go door to door checking how many rounds are being loaded, I guess. Perhaps you should let them know of your findings. I guess the .32acp and .45acp are the same as well, they both can do the same thing I guess, in a moron's world.
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The 6.8 runs a 110 gr boolit at 2750.... That's pretty impressive. What load is that, and how much barrel length? I've noticed most of the commercial 110gr loads are in the 2550-2600 fps range, with a 20" bbl. Most commercial loads have to be mild enough for the early 6.8spc chamber and 1:10 twist. Silver State has a couple 110gr loads meant for spc II chambers that are up to 2650fps with a 16" bbl. You can get into the 2700's with an 18"bbl, a spc II chamber and preferably a 1-11 or 1-12 twist.
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Laughin as well, tell me what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other? 30-06 vs 223 now there is a difference. Besides the 6.8 is slowly dieing out, fewer and fewer rounds are loaded and purchased each year....
Yeah, that's why more bullet manufacturers keep adding 6.8spc specific bullets to their lineup. Hornady, Nosler and Barnes in the past year alone. Unlike you, they don't go door to door checking how many rounds are being loaded, I guess. Perhaps you should let them know of your findings. I guess the .32acp and .45acp are the same as well, they both can do the same thing I guess, in a moron's world. The 6.8 will soon go the way of the dodo bird, the military never adopted it, Remington is not supporting it, there are 2-3 different chambers, some manufacturers have the original chamber others a slower twist and longer throat, no law enforcement agency that I know of uses it, it needs special magazines to run it, there are just a small bunch of dedicated eccentrics that swear that they need another foot pound or two to kill a hog that are enamored with it. Thanks but no thanks you keep the 6.8, I will stick to the 223...and by the way only a moron would want to try and tell the difference between getting shot by a 45 or a 32, either one will kill you. Its sad that some people got snookered into buying into the 6.8 dud.
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I don't know. I have a feeling the 6.8 is here to stay.
Seems to me it's popularity is growing rapidly, despite the initial growing pains.
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its hard to say, in my friends gunshop they sell 100's of the 223 rifles of all makes and have a single 6.8 upper on the rack that has been there for a while. It may be growing but at what rate and what percentage of total sales? Not much is my observation, there is a small vocal minority but once you get past launching a 22 from a 14 inch barrel into 16 or 18 inch barrel lengths the need for the 6.8 kind of fades away (ask the Eskimo's they kill everything with the 223). Some people like to pour cold water all over another man's choice in firearms or calibers and treat said purchases with disdain. In my opinion there is just not that much difference in the 3 we are talking about and anyone that says there is has some type of hangup over one or the other of the cartridges.
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I think the 6.8 will survive and live a wondeful life, once the Remington touch wears off. I won't own one but that does not make it a bad round. Hogs are taking over the country and it seems to be gaining popularity with hog hunters.
The 300 Whisper/AAC/Blackout seems to be a niche cartridge, with a can being that niche. I can see it being used suppressed with heavy bullets and NV to snipe pigs under feeders at night. But running it with light for caliber bullets at speeds under calibers that are considered slow now won't make the masses run out to buy it.
It will work within it's limits but to me I think the 223 is a better round and I do not understand all the hooplah about it.
Of course everyone loves to hate the mouse cartridge and it's plastic gun so for some that maybe reason enough.
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I haven't been a big fan of the 6.8 myself. I always thought 6.5mm or 7mm would have made more sense.
A couple months back I was shooting with a few others at steel and one fella had a Rem 700 6.8. I think it was a LVSF. fluted bbl, about 22" or so. It was a lot of fun and very accurate on 600 yard steel, launching 110 VMax. Seems to me it would make a decent huntinfg rifle for recoil sensitive shooters. Kind of in the same league as the 250 Savage.
It would be hard for me to justify one, already having 308 boltguns and 5.56mm AR15s, and Montana having no caliber restrictions. I'm trying to simplify my logistics too. But, I can see the draw.
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