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Hi guys,

I recently noticed that Doug, our Camera Land New York sponsor, was having a blow-out sale of Minox 6.5X32 and 9.5X42 binoculars. The prices were spectacular at $274.99 and $299.99, respectively. Optics are like most other things in life, however, cheap doesn't always make a great value.

Most of my hunting in the past has been in woodlands and my binoculars tend to be seven or eight power. The last few years, I've found myself hunting the prairie and I'm seeing the wisdom of "stepping it up a notch" and going for a bit higher power optics. Anyway, I truly saw the need for adding a pair of the Minox 9.5X42 to my arsenal of optics.

As most of you know, I recently had extensive shoulder surgery and I simply cannot shoot a rifle for a spell. The addition of the binoculars created an excellent opportunity to do something gunny; I could test the new binoculars against my old ones and help my fellow Campfire members.

Minox, of course, is Leica's "companion line." In marketing Minox binoculars, Leica addes the manufactturing ability and the R&D of Leica technology into a lesser-priced unit. Obviously, this adds to Leica's market-share, as well.

As I stated, before, I now own the 9.5X42s. Let's take a look at my unit; I'll share the good, the bad.....and there is no ugly.

My 9X42s are a wonderful size and are not bulky in the slightest. The dimensions are 6.5"X5.1"X2.2" and the weight is about twenty-four ounces. Just right, in my opinion.

The exterior finish is a dull-green armored and the surfaces are ridged and very slightly "grippy." In other words, the armor is just soft enough to give the user a great grip and to resist noise in the bush. The unit comes with two attached objective lens caps and a common eyepiece cover that slides on the binocular neck-strap. The Minox binoculars also come with a nice protective case....it looks and feels like fine leather and prolly is.

The Minox binoculars are filled with argon gas, so that they will be fog-proof in the field. The exterior seals (screw-type) are obviously of high quality. I reversed the binoculars, to get a good look at the interior design. Viewed from this angle, the manufacturer has taken exacting care to create precision light baffles and screw-type lens seats. The finish of the inside of the binoculars is absolutely superb.

The eyecups are flexible rubber and they fold down for use with glasses. Interestingly, the common eyepiece cover will not fit over the folded eyecups, so guys who wear glasses will either have to go without a cover or will have to find a cover that will fit. Obviously, if the user does not wear glasses, this is not an issue.

Personally, being an old redneck mountain hunter, I usually build my own "eyepiece slider" from a 12"X12" piece of deer hide that protects the entire binocular from snow, rain and environmental nasties. The deer hide cover flips instantly out of the way, when you need your optics, and it protects the lenses far better than the new-fangled stuff (my opinion only).

I tested the Minox binoculars against the rest of my stable of optics. Those include: a pair of Leica 8X32 BRF Geovids, a pair of 1950-something Bausch & Lomb 7X35 Zephyrs, a pair of Optolyth 7X42s and my Swarovski SLC 8X30Bs.

It would be good to note here that, even though the B&L Zephyrs were produced over fifty years ago, they were the "industry standard" for many years. Basically, new binoculars were always measured against the old B&Ls. This practice continues even today and the Zephyrs are still held in reverence in optic circles. Kind of like pre-'64 Winchester Model 70s, the Zephyrs may not currently be the finest of their kind, but they are a standard of excellence to be measured against.

Not being a professional binocular tester, my testing was somewhat simplistic. Basically, I used all five pairs of binoculars under various lighting conditions with one question in mind: Which are the sharpest, clearest and handiest? In the end, however, this is the truest test of a binocular.....How well can I see?

The binoculars were used off my deck in the mid-day, late afternoon and dusk. They were used one-handed, two-handed and off of a rest. The test always kept in mind that the binoculars would be used in hunting conditions, which are seldom ideal.

Here are the results: Leica is still Leica and my 8X42s blew the Minoxs out of the water as far as clarity, definition and flat field. Hey, the extra $1,500 for the Leicas buys you a heck of a lot of optics. But then, I truly didn't expect the Minox binoculars to equal the Leicas.

I will have to say that the 9.5X42 Minox binoculars were perilously close to my Swarovski SLC 8X30B binos. I tried for several hours to decide whether my five-year old Swarovskis or the Minoxs were more crisp and finally decided that the Swarovskis had it by a whisker (not a nose). The Swarovskis had a slightly flatter field, as well. Considering that the Swarovski glasses are word-renowned and expensive, this is a great testiment for the Minox binoculars.

By the way, I won the 7X30 Swarovskis by killing an unfortunate prairie dog at 684 yards with a witnesed "single declared shot" (no sighters) at a Swarovski-sponsored writers hunt. Yeah, I was using my Little Blue .223 Ackley, fireforming 40-grain Winchester Supreme ammo. The prairie dog was going to die that day, I just happened to make the lucky shot, winning the Swarovskis in the process. But I digress, let's get back to the binocular test. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Now here is the interesting part. The Minox binoculars are much clearer, sharper and flatter of field than my B&L 7X35 Zephyrs. There was simply no contest, the Minox 9.5X42s were the finer binocular.

I have long cherished my Optolyth 7X42s and often grab them when I head out the back door. This is a little-known brand of binocular that has great optics and is known for its lightness. Frankly, the Minox 9.5s absolutely killed the Optolyths.

So there you have it, Steve's absolutely non-scientific binocular test. I have no idea what the "retail" price of the Minox binoculars is, but in comparing them to others, they look to me like a $700 set of optics. Obviously, at a price of under $300, they are an excellent, perhaps unexcelled, value.

Oh, before I leave you, I have to add two interesting things. The eye relief of the Minox binoculars is stated to be 19m/m. For the hunter who wears no glasses, the eyecups establishes the eye relief and there is no problem. I DO wear eyeglasses and I kept seeing two blue crescents in the bottom of my field of view. Then, I noticed that the nose-pieces of my glasses had been slightly crushed backwards. So, I took my jeweler's pliers and got the nose-pieces correctly adjusted. The result, of course, was that I could see better through my glasses and the blue crescent went away. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Nineteen millimeters of eye relief is unusual in the binocular world. Most binoculars have from ten to fifteen millimeters of eye relief, so eyeglass wearers will really enjoy the extra eye relief that the Minox binoculars give you (if your glasses are correctly adjusted <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />).

The final thing is the individual focus adjustment. Man, it's been a long time since I've used individual focus binos and I can see why many purists rave about them. Basically, you cover one eyepiece and focus the other at a little over one-hundred yards. Then, repeat for the other barrel. This adjustment gives you a perfect focus from less to one-hundred yards to infinity. The "Set and Forget" principle really works. That's really cool.

OK guys, that's about it. I'm totally open to questions and I'm sure Doug will be monitoring this thread; so ask away.

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Excellent review Steve, practicle.
Maybe Doug could post some pics?


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SU35,

Thanks, my friend.

The review was just looking at Minox binoculars as the average hunter would. Personally, I tend to get turned-off by the scientific stuff and eventually ask myself if any of it has anything to do with the practical application of optics...killing furry things.

By the way, I could see later with the Minox binoculars than any of the others. The incredible "twilight factor" (20) added about ten minutes to my crisp vision of a neighbor's shingle edges about two hundred yards away.

Actually, I see that 9.5X42 Minox binoculars as the perfect high-power compliment to my 8X42 Geovids. One for general viewing/rangefinding and one for looking far and late. Perfect truckmates.

The attachment is a photo of the Minox 9.5X42s and the Leica 8X42 BRF Geovids.

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The best pictures can be found on the Minox website, www.minox.com


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Using Minox's link, be sure to click on the American/Anglo flag (right side of the screen), to access English language. Then, you have to click on sport binoculars.

This will give the binocular specifications, a total description and a great photo.

It is an excellent site and one that is well worth visiting.

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Steve,

Were you able to see an extra 10 minutes with your Minox 9.5x42's as compared to your Leica 8x42's as well? If so, that is a pretty impressive testimony of their brightness.

Thanks for your review. It is very interesting and helpful on things which matter to hunters.

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Steve,

Were you able to see an extra 10 minutes with your Minox 9.5x42's as compared to your Leica 8x42's as well? If so, that is a pretty impressive testimony of their brightness.

Thanks for your review. It is very interesting and helpful on things which matter to hunters.

DJ


Hey Tex,

Yes, I got extra time in discerning the sharp bottom divisions of shingles on a neighbor's roof. The roof edge is precisely 204 yards away (range taken with the Leica Geovids).

Please bear in mind that this was "Steve's Test" which is, by definition, totally unscientific and based on "What Can I See and How Late Can I See It?" Actually, it would be a test that YOU would do.

Yeah, I got some extra dusk-time with the Minox binoculars. I didn't actually measure it with a stop-watch, but it was significant. The B&L 7X35s crapped out early, the Swarovski 7X30s went next, the 7X42 Optolyths died next, followed by the 8X42 Leica BRFs. Remembering back, I prolly got a full four or five minutes with the Minox 9.5X42s after the Leica 8X42s lost sharpness.

The "Twilight Factor" of the Leica 8X42 BRFs is 18 and the "Twilight Factor of the Minox 9.5X42s is 20. BUT, I've also read that what you can actually see , as daylight wanes, is more a function of optic quality than the actual mathamatical derivation of the numbers.

Again, we're reduced to "What Can I See?" and I can tell you that I could see sharply later through the my 9.5 Minox binoculars in darker light than I could with any of my other binoculars. It may be my eyes, it may be the individual binocuars, or that just may be the way that it is.

No doubt about it, the Minox binoculars stood up nicely aginst some stiff competition. Obviously, if I was to grab one pair of binocuars for a big hunt, it would be the Leica BRFs because of their total usefulness and absolutely superb rangefinding capabilities.

The fact remains, at three hundred bucks, the 9.5X42 Minox binoculars are a fine set of optics for a price that most fellas can afford. These binos are waaay above what one would expect for the price.

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OK, Steve, you better be right.

I ordered a set of the 9.5x42s, even after my wife said no. They better be good enough to be worth the fallout.

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OK, Steve, you better be right.

I ordered a set of the 9.5x42s, even after my wife said no. They better be good enough to be worth the fallout.


Hey Utah,

You'll love them. They are really great binoculars and Doug is really nice to deal with. May the lenses of your new binoculars be filled with elk......shortly before you bust 'em. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Like Tommy Boy said, you can stick your head up a bull's ass to see if you're getting a good steak but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word on it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Great write up Steve.


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Like Tommy Boy said, you can stick your head up a bull's ass to see if you're getting a good steak but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word on it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Great write up Steve.


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Dave,

After watching what I did when working the first year in an outfitter's elk camp, Karen started calling me "The Butcher." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

She got used to it and, by now, has done a fair amount herself. Great gal with a Herron knife.

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I've had several PMs about somthing I forgot to mention. The question is, "Hey Steve, the Minox 9.5s are fairly high-power and I'd like to use it for long range, kinda like a spotting scope. Does the set of optics have a tripod socket."

The answer is YES.

The tripod socket (standard �"X20) is an integral part of the forward section of the center hinge and is covered by a plastic plug. A ninety-degree adapter would be needed to use the connection, but it would be a super-solid set-up.

I've used binoculars on a tripod at several long-range target shooting events, but I've never used it in the hunting field. I can surely see how this would be highly useful hunting antelope.

Anyway, the tripod socket is present on the Minox 9.5s and it is a darned good one. Even if a fella never uses it, it is nice to know that it has tripod capability.

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Steve, Are the LIECA 8X42's that you have different in twilight factor compared to the lLieca 10X42 BN's that have.Just curious because the 10X42's that Ihave are the best low light binoc's that I have ever looked through.Just wondering because if there is something better I may want to up grade.
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jwp,

Your 10X42 Leicas would have a higher "Twilight Factor" than my 8X42 Leica BRFs. Obviously, Leica is top-grade, no matter how you look at it, and the optics, light-use potential and general quality is superb.

That being said, the my Geovids are just super in low light. It is my feeling that Twilight Factor is not as important as having the finest possible glass. In your question, we are comparing Leica-to-Leica and I have the feeling that your 10X42BNs would probably be better, as would the 10X42BRF (with its wonderful rangefinding capability).

I simply love my Leicas. And Minox, which is Leica's companion line is an excellent complinent at a lower price point.

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It is my feeling that Twilight Factor is not as important as having the finest possible glass.


IIRC Twilight Factor was postulated by a couple of Zeiss engineers in the 30s, and I expect would have held across the Zeiss line. As soon as you try to compare different makes, you definitely are smack dab confronted by glass quality.

I like to use TF in a simple analysis of capability of scope A vs. scope B, but you definitely need to throw in the "all things being equal" -- which they usually are not. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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It is my feeling that Twilight Factor is not as important as having the finest possible glass.


IIRC Twilight Factor was postulated by a couple of Zeiss engineers in the 30s, and I expect would have held across the Zeiss line. As soon as you try to compare different makes, you definitely are smack dab confronted by glass quality.

I like to use TF in a simple analysis of capability of scope A vs. scope B, but you definitely need to throw in the "all things being equal" -- which they usually are not. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Jim,

Like you, I truly believe optics and design are the most important aspects.

Something I don't understand, and wish I did, is the "light baffling" inside of binoculars. In turning the Minox binocuars backwards and looking inside them, the intense baffling is evident. A lot of engineering and work is built into the Minoxs. Perhaps the baffling might add another dimension to TF, and one that is totally independant of the glass itself.

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I'm sure there is a way the twilght factor is derived but I don't understand how math could factor in the amount of quality in design and materials. The math used to find the exit pupil is straight forward. IMO twilight factor is a marketing tool. It gives you an idea of what you're buying but not how good it really is.


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By the way, I could see later with the Minox binoculars than any of the others.
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I am wondering if these quality characteristics are in other Minox models like 10x42 BR?

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I'm sure there is a way the twilght factor is derived but I don't understand how math could factor in the amount of quality in design and materials. The math used to find the exit pupil is straight forward. IMO twilight factor is a marketing tool. It gives you an idea of what you're buying but not how good it really is.


Dave,

I would say that the Twilight Factor is defined, and not derived.

The other aspects as then ignored to apply it.

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