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thats funny saddlesore, got an old bud that does that to, he makes some nice fireworks for new years night with his old powder

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I tried the BH-209 in a Knight MK-85 with full plastic jacket conversion kit-lots of blowback. My MK-85 has the short barrel and shoots very well with 80 grains of T7 loose and 250 Barnes Expanders. With the T7, I do have to swab after ever shot-crud ring. I also shoot a Disk Extreme with NFPJ coversion. Best load is 110 grains, by volumn, of BH209 behind a .458 Remington bullet.

I shot 20 rounds through my encore with no cleaning using the blackhore 209. Get you a bottle its great stuff.

90grs of 209 in a traditions pursuit II with big chunks of lead from precision rifle has been magic for me for the past few years. i'll never go bavk to pyrodex or 777 and thats from a 20 year pyrodex user

i have that bighorn i use 90 gr. of t7 and a 300 gr. hornady xtp shoots great deer never go more than 10 yards

When you guys refer to "plunger type" inlines do you mean generically all the straight tubed receiver types with the cocking mechanism in line behind the primer? If so does that mean BH209 should be used only in closed breech guns like NEF, Encore, etc?

shootem, thats exactly what we mean.

Bolt action knights are ok, break actions like the encore are on.

Plunger style guns like the mk85, cva buckhorn, cva staghorn. These should never fire BH209.

I have been shooting BH 209 in my MK-85 going on 4 years. No misfires, no gas blow-back. I have an original BH 209 booklet that shows the kind of breach plug that should and should not be used. The Knight 209 Breach plug (converted from the original cap plug)indicates that it can be used because the primer is fully enclosed. I will see if I can scan the pictures of the plugs.

There is no mention of the action type, just the breech plug type.

bh209 is not recommended in a plunger style muzzle loader due to the safety factor that the plunger bolt can blow back, allowing the primer to be launched back into the shooters face. Its already happened to others who've tried it in an mk85 style muzzle loader.

you basically shoot at your own risk and if something happens, you were warned LOL.

bigblock455, I do appreciate the heads up! Can you direct me to where that is stated by Western Powder? I want to read more about it, because I have never heard that before. Thanks.

call western powders # and ask to speak with Don Luhr. He will explain things to you clearly.

Will do, thanks. I did not see anything on the web page.

Spoke to a known authority on muzzle loaders (email then phone). He basically called bull $chit. My experince backs that, so I am caaling BS too. Unknown to me I have been using a stiff load too- a bit over 120 gr. for last 3 years. NEVER any issues. Will forward that email to Western poders next.

There is no basis for this wrongful comment. Triple Se7en makes the same or greater pressure as Blackhorn 209 in loose powder form, sometimes markedly greater pressure with pellets. If this comment had any basis in reality, those with pull-cock actions would have been pulling 209 primers out of their foreheads for the last nine years courtesy of Triple Se7en.

None of this is any excuse not to wear eye protection when shooting any firearm. 209 primers don't go anywhere, the reason the once-common three-way breechplugs came with 209 de-primers so you could get them out.

Blackhorn 209 is harder to ignite than organic BP or Pyrodex, and as a result is safer to handle, use, and store. The only reason not to use it in a pull-cock or open action is ignition-- for positive ignition, you'll likely need to open the flash hole.

As for who uses Blackhorn 209 in an MK-85, I can tell you that Tony Knight does. He hasn't been afflicted by any 209 primer launching, and I don't know of anyone who has regardless of black powder substitute.

Thanks for chiming in Randy. Appreciate your help.
-John

sorry to say boys but there are a good number of well known posters on other forums that have tried this and they would back me up and tell you its your eye ball, you can always grow another one if you lose it.

You do it at your own risk, i will never recommend that you shoot it in a plunger style rifle. NEVER.

Posters repeat what they hear. If you can cite Tony Knight telling me it's a no go, or a ballistics engineer from Western saying same, I will pay attention. In the mean time, I am going by 4 years worth of experience. Do you have an MK-85? Have you used BH 209 in it? I have. No more comments from me. Hope you have a great ML hunting season.

hey bud you can get cocky all you want, im just giving you a friendly warning is all. Its your eye, your life, not mine, so do what you will. Be safe

My vote would be to make sure the ML is in good working order and able to use BlackHorn 209. I've been using NOTHING but BH209 since I first tried it out of my Encore. EVERYTHING they advertise about it, I've found to be true. The pink sticky dot is a 3/4 inch...not 1 inch. The bullseye its in is a 1 inch circle. Group measured rite at 3/4 inch at 100 yards...and it will do it everytime I'm up for it.

yep results like that Deg are pretty much normal! Good shootin, i really love the 260gr PT Gold, they fly pretty darn flat and shoot like a rocket.