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JMHO...but this is some great shooting, but some poor "hunting"
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JMHO...but this is some great shooting, but some poor "hunting" Define hunting.
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Ask a hundred people and you'll get a hundred different "right" answers. In the July 2011 issue of Petersen's Hunting, Mike Schoby went on a tirade in his editorial about the ethics of long range hunting.
In it, he criticizes a television show that promotes long range hunting and contends it isn't fair chase. Schoby indicated that he shared an elk camp with some inexperienced hunters who were "Kool-Aid-drinking fans" of the show and said they had a "fatal flaw" and were "looking for and easier way of being successful."
He rebukes those who rely on technology to make up for deficiencies in expertise and experience. Schoby went on to say, "I feel sorry for the folks who buy into this stuff" and "long range surgical strikes remove much of the experience of why we hunt."
Last year, I was at my local archery shop talking smack with one of the owners when I guy came in to get his bow restrung. I guess he thought he had the right audience and started yacking about how he only hunted with a bow. He thought the vast majority of rifle hunters were slobs who had limited skills and didn't think that harvesting an animal at "hunderd" yards was ethical or sportsmanlike.
I wonder how Schoby would defend his use of centerfire rifles wearing glass to this guy. Even an entry level Savage rifle and Bushnell scope is pretty sweet "technology" from a historical perspective. It sure takes more skill to kill with stick and string than a .30-06. If that's the case, why doesn't he eschew firearms and use a bow if it's all about experiencing the outdoors and proving your skill set a hunter?
I think debating the ethics of how we hunt and why we hunt is healthy. However, it's obvious that some drink too much of their own Kool-Aid like Mike Schoby. He makes its clear that why and how "he" hunts is also why and how "we" should hunt. Schoby references Boone and Crockett's definition of fair chase in that animals should be hunted "in a manner that does not give the hunter improper advantage."
When it comes to killing schit, what's the proper way and what's the improper way? After four decades of hunting, I'm relatively entrenched on the why and how I hunt, but I'm not going try to bend you to my will. I just can't understand why so many are myopically bent on overlaying their subjective ethical positions on others.
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Excellent post BlueK9!
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I think that one guy that keeps showin up in that video is pretty anoying. Those guys must smell bad so they can't get any closer. Agreed ! that scoundrel tried to sneak up on me frying bacon last summer....
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John, Can you tell me what stock you are using in your videos? Thanks
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John, also noticed in your video that you reference a PHB bullet. Does that stand for premier hunting bullet, or is it the Nosler Partition PHB ? If not can you tell me what bullet you are using?
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John, Can you tell me what stock you are using in your videos? Thanks Just a guess but Id say a greybull precision stock. IMO a great stock and I love mine!
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Wasn't sure if it was a greybull stock. The foreend did not look right.
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John, Can you tell me what stock you are using in your videos? Thanks Just a guess but Id say a greybull precision stock. IMO a great stock and I love mine! Yep, me too. Awesome ergonomics and quite light ( 2 3/4#) for what it is.
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I keep hearing all this negetive crap on long range hunting, if you haven't tried it maybe you should, you don't need to put down people because they want to be better, the people i know including myself that do long range hunting get out and practice at a range or a long range school.Dont put us down because you cant do it and we can. Maybe you need to go find a short range hunting forum and get off this one. Good job John.
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Hey John...decided to build a 6.5 x 47 instead of a 260 Rem
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EH76-what is the 6.5x47 case based off? I just had rednecked a 260 together and am loving it!
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308 dia head but with a small rifle primer. Was going to do a 260 Rem, but my buddy built a 6.5 x 47 Lapua and has the reamer for it. 140 gr VLD at 2850 fps out of a case approx 8 mm shorter than the 260 Rem. I have a 260 Rem in an XP-100R.
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You might be in 4 some hangfires in cold weather with the SR primers.
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Ha ha ha, these long range threads are great. If you got it, you got it. If you can't hack the distance stuff or don't agree with it, no sweat. Don't do it, or take up knitting. Funny how you don't hear the long range guys bitching but there is a constant moan from those who don't agree with it. Maybe I should start sniveling and bitching about anything shot under 300 yards. The rifle most often than not is capable. It's a driver/ pilot issue.
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Bump because I like the original post. Can't wait to see more.
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I keep hearing all this negetive crap on long range hunting, if you haven't tried it maybe you should, you don't need to put down people because they want to be better, the people i know including myself that do long range hunting get out and practice at a range or a long range school.Dont put us down because you cant do it and we can. Maybe you need to go find a short range hunting forum and get off this one. Good job John. Yes. Among conventional troops in the Army, snipers are looked upon as freaks, nutcases, or worse. ESPECIALLY by conventional officers. In SF however, a sniper school grad is admired and considered one handy muldoon to have around. So, all you anti-LR types stand in good company with all the REMF, poggy-bait chewing, ball-washing back-biters that epitomize every thing that is wrong with the US military.
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EH76-what is the 6.5x47 case based off?
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Sorry these arent in action but here are a couple of my sticks with a greybull stock. .243 .300wm
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