Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire On a scale of 1-10, the Iranian assassination plot?

But seriously; this doesn�t add up at all. What does Iran have to gain from this? They have nothing to gain
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Ummmm.....you mean besides control of the ME?

How 'bout the leaders of Iran are just frikken psycho?

And how do they gain control of the ME by blowing up a bomb in the US?

This does add up in the context of Shiite and Sunni conflicts that have been going on for centuries.

Maybe they came up with "Let's screw with SA and blame it on America?"

Is that tongue in cheek? That IS, pretty much, how it always happen, except the biker's not a cop...he sets her up with a cop. Of course, stuff like this is a dime a dozen. Clinton had to kill off half a country trying to shake Monica off.

Iran's fingerprints would be all over a ME(Hamas) styled assassination. A Mexican cartel hit on a Saudi official in DC would take years to figure out,if at all. In the meanwhile,the US takes some blame for it occurring on our watch.

Well, I don't think they're as crazy as most think they are. Religious zealots and all, you can expect them to act in their best interest; you can expect that of all people and nations. I can't see a single way that Iran benefits from this; and more ways than I can count where they lose.

If you study Iran, they're only crazy by Western standards. By Middle Eastern standards, they're pretty shrewd. They have consistently pushed toward control of the Middle East, and most things they do, you can draw a straight line from what they did to this objective. In this instance, I don't see it at all. I see them getting caught no matter what happened; and paying a high price.

I'm a bit skeptical of how quickly the Administration is saying this is tied to the Iranian government, and not something like "rogue elements inside the Iranian government". Again, take a look at how the OP of this thread described it...that's pretty much what the Administration is saying happened.

I'm not saying it absolutely didn't happen that way; I'm just saying I'm having a hard time swallowing that.

Kevin, given the long history of Iran using proxies to do their dirty work, (think Hezbollah, think aiding and abetting the taliban, think supplying and shielding mukhtgar al sadr),
then using the cartels to do the hit in America fits their standard MO to a tee.
What they hoped to gain, was killing some pesky Saudis, killing a hated Israeli, and collecting several hundred dead adherents of the Great Satan as a bonus.

Why are you so wrapped up in being an apologist for Iran? Do you not read anything they say or do? By your own admission, you like to play Devil's Advocate with these issues, but I can't understand why.

This is one incident, whether it's smoke and mirrors, is certainly up for debate.

What I worry about are the other terrorist-cartel relationships that occur that we don't know\hear about.

Well clearly it all makes sense to you, but it doesn't make sense to me. I'm not being an apologist for Iran, but since I don't jump to the same conclusions as you, you think I am.

All I'm saying is, I'm not convinced. Iran can kill Saudi's in a lot of places with a WHOLE LOT less risk. No matter what happens, they WILL get caught on this one. And look who the supposed bomber is. All while Holder is about to have his nutz cut off.

I agree that Iran always has someone else do their dirty work; nothing new there. But when they do their dirty work, they typically have an agenda, and that agenda tends to come back to gaining support and prestige in the Middle East. Who knows, perhaps they think this will gain them prestige in the ME.

Just saying it doesn't add up.

Clearly drug cartels have some competency that terrorists can use.

Yes, you're absolutely right. It usually is a biker who may be (or maybe he once was) a CI who is known to the local police, and he sets the woman up with a detective. Because, for all he knows, SHE's a CI, and she's trying to set HIM up.

an easy agenda explanation for this plot, if it's real, is that they use the murder of the Saudi ambassador on US soil to drive a wedge between the US and the Saudis. the gullible masses in the middle east will have no trouble believing the murder was a CIA/Mossad plot. All good for Iran.

For the life of me I can't understand why neither the U.S. or Israel has hatched a plot to eliminate monkey face????

He is a proven Bastard and if he ate a bullet or a missile, maybe it would help foment a little revolution over there.

Rebellion is just under the surface in Iran, a nudge may be all it takes.

And if it doesn't happen, well, at least that azzhole is gone.

just had one of these here in the last month or two....exactly that scenario. guy wants to whack his wife, talks to a seedy friend, who puts him in touch with a "hit man" who is of course an undercover cop. Gets the wife's picture, alarm codes, and half the money, all on video in a bar, then the other cops walk in and bust him. I mean....how many times do you have to see it played out to know that ain't the way to hire a killing done?

I don't understand why the hierarchy inside Iran haven't taken him out.

It's more than that from what I understand, Adel Al-Jubeir, the Saudi ambassador, is extremely important to King Abdullah in dealing with the west. Before becoming ambassador he was one of the Kings most trusted foreign policy advisers. My understanding is that he also serves as the Kings's primary translator when meeting with foreign dignitaries. The loss of Adel Al-Jubeir would be a major blow to the Saudi Kingdom. If I caught the news correctly last night the ambassador and King Abdullah were friends and went to school together long before Abdullah became King.

The ambassadors credentials as listed on his wikipedia page are quite impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel_al-Jubeir

Iran's a WEIRD country.

Ahmadinejad is their guy, but him and the Ayatollah�s have butted heads a lot. Ahmadinejad has on several occasions tried to liberalize things in society, only to have his new policies reversed by the Supreme Leader. Ahmadinejad is kinda caught in the middle. He�s the front man that spouts the rhetoric, but when it comes to real policy and the real stuff; everything gets run by the Supreme Leader. Think Putin/Medvedev with Putin as the Supreme Leader and Medvedev as Ahmadinejad; somewhat similar relationship.

The people pretty much HATE Ahmadinejad and the only time he has enjoyed any popularity is when him and Bush were trading barbs. He�s done a pretty good job of making the US out as the boogey man and using it as a diversion from his failed policies and his complete incompetence in domestic affairs.

The majority of Iran is of college age or just a little older. There are some serious seeds of discontent in that nation. The trick is figuring out how to stir the pot a little, then stand back and watch the show.

We need to air drop about 100k I pads, and then beam in uncensored internet.