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"I bet if you turn that NF to 10X and look through the thing at 6:50PM it looks like your looking into a dark room thru a toilet paper tube. Excuse me if I am on the wrong track, but I am thinking about hunting with a scope rather than shooting 12,000 rounds but that's just me" Interesting. 12,000 rounds is about shooting and killing, not admiring my pretty glass as I pull them out of the safe. Excuse me if I am on the wrong track, but I am thinking about how a scope works rather then pleasuring myself to the micro differences between top end glass that has nothing to do with killing ability.... But that's just me. I always thought that the first requirement of any scopes is to stay zeroed, and in the case of LR use to be consistent and repeatable. Being that he wants to use it for LR, how many MOA of elevation does a Precision Hunter knob have available in that single turn? Is a Summit as suitable for turret twisting as the aforementioned Nightforce?
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Here's a pic of a one from the Precision Hunter, per their website. Here's the info alongside the above picture. Our bullet drop compensator allows you to create precise trajectory charts for your rifle. Blank elevation rings are also available that you can mark to your own preferences. Target turrets can be ordered on any Schmidt & Bender scope. Contact us for details
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before you go off half cocked, simple physics tells us that 32mm objective divided by 10X gives you a 3.2mm exit pupil, not the best for a hunting scope dusk and dawn. I am glad you like yours.
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I had the NSX 2.5-10 model with the 24MM OBJ. I loved it at the range but hated it in the woods. Low light, small eyebox and very short eye relief where all deal breakers. NF doesn't make a good lowlight reticle either. I know the reticle lights up but that's never impressed me. once the reticle lights up the image washes out.
It's a decent scope but for a hunting optic you could do much better for the price.
Terry
P.S. BTW,I'm a huge fan of the NSX full size stuff.
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before you go off half cocked, simple physics tells us that 32mm objective divided by 10X gives you a 3.2mm exit pupil, not the best for a hunting scope dusk and dawn. I am glad you like yours. Someone is always asking this question, "best low light scope", everyone has an opinion or has one that works for them, rarely do you see a direct comparison. Personally I doubt there is 3 minutes of shooting time difference in any of them from a $200 Burris to a $2000 Zeiss. To my eyes the biggest difference is to be able to see the reticle in low light. E, I don't see how 1mm of exit pupil will matter either way. I have a pair of Victory binoculars and a pair of Pentax DCF SP both 8 x 42, I am pressed these days to see a major difference as the sun sets, but maybe its my eyes. If I can see an animal with my eyes or binoc's, then I can see it in my riflescopes. Who goes glassing the horizon, woods, bushe, and fields in the dark with a loaded rifle???Not me! Those are your quotes. In them you didn't seem to care much about the difference in low light between optics. I have a Nightforce. And have or have had at least one of every scope thus far mentioned. I determined that for me durability and reliability are THE characteristics that matter above all else.
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I don't think you have to give up one to have the others.
There are hunting scopes that can provide all 3.
JM
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I don't think you have to give up one to have the others.
There are hunting scopes that can provide all 3.
JM +1
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before you go off half cocked, simple physics tells us that 32mm objective divided by 10X gives you a 3.2mm exit pupil, not the best for a hunting scope dusk and dawn. I am glad you like yours. Sometimes physics plays tricks on you. A Minox 13X56 has an exit pupil of 4.3mm. A Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 when set on 13X has an exit pupil of 3.85mm and yet it lasted two minuets longer in a heads up test in low light. The Nightforce 12X56 on 13X lasted an aditional 16 minutes. Maybe coatings have something to do with improved perfromance in optics. That's why we need to look through optics fro ourselves.
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I don't think you have to give up one to have the others.
There are hunting scopes that can provide all 3.
JM No doubt there may be. Which ones? In any case, the question was about the NF which is an excellent scope. So is the Summit, and the Leica. But they do things differently.
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Formadinkalosis,get a grip. Obviously I have insulted your prized possession, please accept my apologies I am sorry that I feel based on some rudimentary science that the NF 2.5x10 x32 is a mistake for a hunting scope.
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Formadinkalosis,get a grip. Obviously I have insulted your prized possession, please accept my apologies I am sorry that I feel based on some rudimentary science that the NF 2.5x10 x32 is a mistake for a hunting scope. IMO, science involves doing/testing. You did math...
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OK I did math, 3.2 mm exit pupil at 10, is not a bright scope, science involves math all the time, its called physics!
I also have a couple 2.5 x 8 x 32 Conquests, same problem at 8X.
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I do own a NXS 1-4 at 4X should have a 6mm exit pupil, is it brighter than a Conquest 3x9x40 set at 3X?
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I don't think you have to give up one to have the others.
There are hunting scopes that can provide all 3.
JM No doubt there may be. Which ones? In any case, the question was about the NF which is an excellent scope. So is the Summit, and the Leica. But they do things differently. Well, you just named 2 of them.
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John did you buy a summit?
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Not yet. Bought a VX3 6x42.
The summit is on my list...with elevation turret. Just got to sell a few more slings. LOL
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I owned the little 32mm NF but ended up sending it down the road. The optics disapointed me in the field and the reticle was near impossible to see unless lit in dim light or shadows.
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I do own a NXS 1-4 at 4X should have a 6mm exit pupil, is it brighter than a Conquest 3x9x40 set at 3X? It's obvious that I didn't make my point clear enough as you aren't getting what I was attempting to convey. It's easy to do the math to determine exit pupil. That alone will not determine which scope it brighter or IMO more importantly for hunting, bright enough.
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OK you win, the 32mm objective Nightforce has magical coatings on it.
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