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Ringworm has been on ignore from his second week here.
The first time I shot myself in the head...
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......wow hahaha
that was a rediculous rant really. all i got out of it was ringworm is unhappy and would rather sit around in his underpants pullin on his joint to old jcpenny magazines then join in a interesting thread on bullets on the 'fire'
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I did not read his post but that would be a good summery of all of his posts I did read.
The first time I shot myself in the head...
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Jordan,
Yeah, I can usually get Partitions to shoot to the same place as a similar-weight "affordable" bullet. Often I start out devleoping loads for a new rifles with Sierras of the same weight as the Partition (or whatever more expensive bullet) I intend to use, then just switch the bullet after I find the right load. More often than not the Partition shoots accurately and to the same place with the affordable bullet, and then I have a sight-in, practice and "deer" load, saving the Partitions for heavy lifting.
As a matter of fact even my double rifle in 9.3x74R shoots to the same place with 270 Speers and 286 Partitions, using the same powder charge of H4350.
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What's the general opinion between the Accubond and Partition? One better than the other, or it's a toss up?
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It seems like some guys have "all the luck" Like you, all my hunting rifles shoot a Sierra bullet to the same POI as they shoot a TSX/TTSX. My Kimber Montana 7WSM shoots the 162gr A-Max, 140gr PH fire-forming load, and the 140gr TTSX to the same POI. Tikka T3 .25-06 does the same with 100gr MK and 100gr TTSX, Ruger Hawkeye .280 with the 140gr PH and 140gr TTSX, etc. Sometimes it takes a bit of effort, but it can often be done, IME.
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What's the general opinion between the Accubond and Partition? One better than the other, or it's a toss up? Do you like a plastic tip or a lead tip? That's the real line in the sand, right there
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What's the general opinion between the Accubond and Partition? One better than the other, or it's a toss up? Do you like a plastic tip or a lead tip? That's the real line in the sand, right there No preference one way or the other. Performance is more important to me.
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From what I have read in regards to the partition vs accubond, the ab has a better ballistic coefficient thus does better long range. Performance on game has been fairly equal.
If I am wrong someone please straighten me out, I have no need for either on the small bama bucks I hunt. The Sierra GameKings do just fine for me at moderate velocities.
Tougher game would force me to use a tougher bullet.
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I've done a lot of research since my question. I agree Matt.
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Shooting them side by side in the same 7mm magnum rifle at 3,250 fps, the partitions drop substantially more than Accubonds past 400 yards. At 600 yards, the 140 grain partitions are dropping 18" more. I'll take the Accubond all day every day Flinch
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Flinch-
thats wierd. Are they hitting same POI at 100? Based on advertised BC, the diff should be only 3" or so at 600?
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Ringworm has been on ignore from his second week here. He's right. The CoreLokt's are routine in their accuracy & terminal effectiveness. They seem nearly counterproductive for those of us who love to shoot and mess with loads. CoreLokt's are my chosen commercial cup & core bullet. My 7 Wby simply did not care for CoreLokt Ultras. I now have 250 I won't use.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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I've pretty much given up on the idea of using the CLU bullets. I really think I was curious more than anything. I think the reason the ultra's never caught on is most guys would buy a proven bullet for the same price Remington was asking. I don't think it's a bad bullet. Just not as good, or at least, no better as some other premium bullets.
I do want to test the NP and AB in my gun though. Lots of time to play around before elk season.
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Yup, same POI out to 200 yards. Past that, the ballistic tip really flies flatter than the partition. I have the same experience with the .30 calibers too. Pointy plastic tip bullets simply fly flatter than lead nosed bullets. Flinch
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I don't really get the BT flies way flatter than the Partition argument. Most game is taken at well under 300 yards, and I am willing to bet that the vast majority of hunters would have a very hard time making consistant, lethal hits at 400 yards.
The ubiquitous .30-06 with 180gr at 2750fps does the following:
Ballistic Tip - +/- 3" PBR is 275 yards with -5.5" at 300 and -19.5" at 400 yards. Partition PBR is 274 yards with -5.6" at 300 and -20" at 400 yards.
For all intents and purposes, that is identical performance to past the range that most people are capable of acceptable marksmanship.
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I don't really get the BT flies way flatter than the Partition argument..... Neither do I....I could cite recent shooting experiences but it would drive the plastic tip bullet fans,nuts. There IS a difference but it does not seem to show up until after 500 yards....at that distance you can measure it with the palm of your hand.I am comparing 150 gr 7mm BT to a 150 NPT from the same rifle, and velocity out the gate. Here's another way of looking at it....my 7mm Mashburn with 6x36 LR reticle,shooting a 162 gr Amax impacts at the top of the lower post at 600....it is zeroed 2.5" high at 100 yards. The 160 Nosler Partition from the same rifle,impacts the same place at 600 yards.I do not have to rezero or touch anything switiching from one bullet to another......Difference? The Partition is zeroed 1/2" higher at 100 yards(3" high).I will let the math whiz kids play with that information and quantify it..... I'm just reporting reults at actual distance. So, I "know" the Amax is flatter shooting,but practically speaking I could use either bullet on about anything from 0 to 600.Just fortuitously, it worked out that way with my rifle. Not to hijack the thread....Mule Deer tells me the Rem UltraCorelok is a good bullet,and that is good enuf for me.I have never used one on anything but paper.
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The 140gr Ultra was a shooting SOB in my Ti in 270. Well under MOA at 300 yards.
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