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...somewhere in the one of the Gargantuan Gunsite Gossip books, Jeff addresses that he had no equity position in any Scout Rifle endeavor, received no royalty, finders fee or override on any of them. His concept may have evolved over years starting with his Remington 600 (or 660), however the actual definition, refinement and manifestation was calculated---he held a few "conferences" where shooters he respected attended and they outlined a canonicity per se of what was not a Scout. It was a case of Intelligent Design not evolution. The species may have transmuted, but it hasn't and won't evolve without the suspension of core doctine.

Again, splitting vernacular hairs--quite honestly, I'd opt for the AR10 too.

It's a heavy rifle.

Yes, and points like a black and decker drill. Gas gun? FNFAL Para. The COL liked the FAL as well.

Did I say that I like the AR in 6.8 or 6.5?

I THINK SO! Time will tell if they stay together, I'm guessing yes. They don't pass the "Walmart" test yet, so I'll stick with 5.56 and 7.62. You could always just have a second upper of course. The Blackout is also another option.

I have 2 extra uppers in 5.56, but I like the 6.8 better. you are correct they are not at Wal Mart

Same here. I've got a Colt HBAR upper and a Bushmaster M-4 upper in 5.56. Wouldn't mind getting one in 6.5 mm.

One like mine, less scope, 8.61 lbs according to Armalite. DSA doesn't list weight of the folders, but the closest one on their site is 8.35 lbs. Of course, the AR is optics ready right now, and the FAL needs a sizable thingy for a scope mount, extra.

Now drop a 10T upper on a AR10, and yes it's heavy

Jay-zus, are you guys for real?

I mean as in, do you actually shoot the rifles you post about? As in, do you shoot the rifles you post about, with a full load-out? The Steyr Scout is a 7-pound rifle. The DPMS LR308L is a 7.9 pound rifle, and it ain't nearly the lightest 308 caliber AR rifle on the planet. Talk to Paul at BCMS or Mark at LaRue Tactical to talk about truly lightweight 308 AR's.

I've maneuvered both the Steyr Scout and a Brand X lightweight AR rifle on a tactical course, and I'll take the AR rifle 8 days a week. You tell me you can tell the difference between a 7-lb and an 8-lb rifle over the course of 8 hours of fire and maneuver when you're carrying 40+ pounds of gear, and I'll make you eat your boonie hat.

Ne'mind. It's only tha innanet, as our dear departed Bristoe pointed out time and again.

Anyone with a shred of brains would take the AR a supirior weapon


What happened to "Bristoe"

He left us for good, I'm afraid.

Just weighed my Scout. 7# 6oz all up with cleaning gear inside the stock, 2.5X Leupy (with heavy steel Leupy rings), both mags and a leopard light mount sans light. You show me any 0.473 bolt face AR that comes close and I'll kiss your a$$ in Macy's front window at high noon and give you all morning to draw a crowd.

The DPMS you listed doesn't make weight, they also don't shoot for schit. Also, no AR will every point like an English double gun, as does the Scout.

Added thought on the DPMS 308 guns, the only one that is in the same class accuracy-wise is the SASS, try shooting some offhand drills with that pig. Even the 5.56 SASS's are too heavy for a gen-purpose rifle.

Remington has the perfect round for the AR Scout , the 30 AR. I'm waiting for Stag to offer a left hand bolt for the 30 AR

Now, Doc, why do we need to be burdend with 40 lbs. of gear ? It wouldn't be all of those loaded magazines you guys insist on for your spray and pray tactics would it ?
Yeah, I know. No army in the world uses Scout Rifles. So whose talking about equiping an army ? Or rifle squad ? What ever happend to the lone rifleman on his own a long way from home ? What ever happend to idea of single hits, firing once, and moving ?
How about making the other guy fight under circumstances where you, with, say a Scout Rifle, have the advantage ?
I find it fascinating that the US Marine Corps teaches their sniper scouts how to use and when to use their heavy sniper rifles in close quarter combat. Seems that they can be useful, but not ideal. Of course, when it comes to engaging targets way out there, the heavy sniper rifle has no peer.
My point is that the Scout Rifle is not an ideal close quarter weapon for rifle squads. Neither is it a dedicated long range sniper rifle for that work. But it does pretty well in either situation. E

I would like to point out in this shoot out Platt shot 42 times which would average about 5 shots per agent. Not trying to tax my brain too much on counting hits on agents, but his hit rate was at least 20% after a lethal hit. I don't count that as spray and pray!

Interesting on "lightweight LaRue's" next time they have a range day I'll have to swing up to see them.

That would be very cool. Any idea when they're next having a range day? I have pretty much decided my next AR is gonna be a LaRue lightweight. Haven't decided on caliber yet, though.

Just got the latest issue of Dillon's Blue Press. They have an article on the Ruger M77 Scout Rifle. Pretty nice little gun. Anybody have one yet?