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Originally Posted by Spanokopitas
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what is it now 99 weeks of unemployment insurance? Want to reduce the unemployment rate overnight? Limit unemployment to 26 weeks and reduce the minimum wage by 20%.
And immediately increase the welfare rolls by millions ya stupid [bleep]. People can't begin to live on minimum wage now and they sure as hell won't be able to if you reduce it even further. THEY WILL collect welfare benefits if they can't get a job that will make ends meet though.


I have an answer for that; reduce welfare by 50%. People will work when the alternative is not eating.

It's Socialists like you who want to continue to suck bucks from the Producers to give to the Moochers.
See my post above dickhead and keep living in your dream world.


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Originally Posted by huntsonora
Just the other day one of my neighbors, who is collecting unemployment benefits, told everybody at our culdesac party that he's found a few jobs but he "couldn't afford to take them". Cut off his government checks and he wouldn't be able to afford not to take one.


No kidding. I hear this more times that I can count. "I could go work at "insert company name here", but I make more on unemployment."

When people can say that, there is a problem with the unemployment program.


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Originally Posted by Tombo
The day they "Balance" trade, deport the very last illegal, "off the books", border jumping, criminals with their spawn, go back and collect all taxes from these freeloading, Un-American Scumbags that gave them jobs, and fire all government types that jobs were created to deal with these border jumpers, then and only then, all unemployment should be cut back to the 26 weeks.

Until then, those collecting benefits are just on the gravy train like a whole lot of others....

I won't work along side criminal border jumpers nor for chicken sh*t wages that criminal employers want to pay. I also try to buy American thus buy very little these days.

Unemployment payments is the price we pay because people are to stupid to vote out the scummy politicians that are bought and paid for by criminal business types and politicians that are just vote buying whores...

When your construction companies has no employees because they have been deported, they will have to hire real working men in the "real" labor market, pay them competitive wages and treat them like men. (or get there fat lazy worthless criminal freeloading a**es off the golf coarse and do the work themselves.)

Freeloading has become ingrained in our culture and the worst offenders are always the one that seem to be complaining of others...

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Blackheart,

Can you enter into an adult conversation that doesn't involve you calling everybody names?

I have yet to see it but think that you can do it if you try

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Originally Posted by huntsonora
Blackheart,

Can you enter into an adult conversation that doesn't involve you calling everybody names?

I have yet to see it but think that you can do it if you try
I only called that pompous idiot from Cali names and he's earned the title.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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Blackheart,

Can you enter into an adult conversation that doesn't involve you calling everybody names?

I have yet to see it but think that you can do it if you try
I only called that pompous idiot from Cali names and he's earned the title.


Name calling is a very good indication that the name caller is of low intelligence and lower socio-economic status.

Blackie, my boy, you are living proof of the above.


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Originally Posted by Spanokopitas
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Blackheart,

Can you enter into an adult conversation that doesn't involve you calling everybody names?

I have yet to see it but think that you can do it if you try
I only called that pompous idiot from Cali names and he's earned the title.


Name calling is a very good indication that the name caller is of low intelligence and lower socio-economic status.

Blackie, my boy, you are living proof of the above.
Actually, I have a very high IQ. Probably why I have a low tolerance for pompous idiots like you !

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Originally Posted by ppfd


I really don't think people want to work.



BINGO


My observation is that this is true for at least a decent % of the pop.



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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Originally Posted by Tombo
The day they "Balance" trade, deport the very last illegal, "off the books", border jumping, criminals with their spawn, go back and collect all taxes from these freeloading, Un-American Scumbags that gave them jobs, and fire all government types that jobs were created to deal with these border jumpers, then and only then, all unemployment should be cut back to the 26 weeks.

Until then, those collecting benefits are just on the gravy train like a whole lot of others.... ....


Freeloading has become ingrained in our culture and the worst offenders are always the one that seem to be complaining of others...




WOW!

Tell it like it is!



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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Actually, I have a very high IQ. Probably why I have a low tolerance for pompous idiots like you !


Show us, dont tell us.

You're language and pointed attacks to other posters, not just on this thread, do not do you any favors. It comes across as immature and ignorant. Its as if you have to resort to these tactics to get your point across but an educated, well though out response trumps loud and obnoxious everytime.

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Originally Posted by huntsonora
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Actually, I have a very high IQ. Probably why I have a low tolerance for pompous idiots like you !
an educated, well though out response trumps loud and obnoxious everytime.
I gave you an educated response when I laid out what it currently costs to live extremely frugally VS what a full time minimum wage job actually pays.

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Our oldest daughter, a single mother of two who's ex is NOT paying her support, lost her job two and a half years ago. Since then she has gone to school and gotten training in medical records, cleaned houses, worked in a laundry in a care facility and about a dozen part time temp jobs. She is still out there pounding the streets, sending out professionally done resumes, and looking under every crack to find a job. If it were not for her youngest sister taking her in the oldest would have been on the street a year ago.

There are those who want to live on the government tit as long as they can but there are also those who really want to get a job and cannot find one.


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Has she pursued the deadbeat dad? Lotsa laws on her side. She owes it to her children to do everything possible to collect their money.

Also has she looked for employment outside your immediate area?


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Originally Posted by Scott F


There are those who want to live on the government tit as long as they can but there are also those who really want to get a job and cannot find one.


Scott,

This is the main reason why I hate to see people take advantage of the system! The purpose of entitlement programs was to assist people in getting back on their feet and to help them get back on track. There are far too many people manipulating the system these days and it is a huge drain on our economy. My neighbor is one of them! It makes me want to puke!

Best of luck to your daughter and I will keep her and her family in my prayers

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Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

Has she pursued the deadbeat dad? Lotsa laws on her side. She owes it to her children to do everything possible to collect their money.

Also has she looked for employment outside your immediate area?


Worked on the dead beat dad thing but 90% of his work is under the table.

She is looking outside the fifty mile radius she set her sights on but not further. It is hard when you are broke to pack up two kids and move to start a job. It takes money to make money.


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Originally Posted by huntsonora
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There are those who want to live on the government tit as long as they can but there are also those who really want to get a job and cannot find one.


Scott,

This is the main reason why I hate to see people take advantage of the system! The purpose of entitlement programs was to assist people in getting back on their feet and to help them get back on track. There are far too many people manipulating the system these days and it is a huge drain on our economy. My neighbor is one of them! It makes me want to puke!

Best of luck to your daughter and I will keep her and her family in my prayers


I agree with you. For every one who really wants to work there are probably at least 20 who do not.

And thanks.


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I really don't think people want to work.



BINGO


My observation is that this is true for at least a decent % of the pop.



I think you're painting with a very broad brush. While there may be some that are trying to take advantage of the system, every architect, interior designer and construction manager that's lost a job that I know have been working their a$$ off trying to find something, anything to get back working again.

Unfortunately I know a lot of people that have been laid off myself included. In the past 3 years to date, I know of only 2 who were able to find a job in the same field. I know 2 who have attempted to start their own firms out of their homes doing residential remodels and are barely scraping by. One of my former designers is now a dispatcher for Scottsdale PD, she got the job over 1,600 applicants. That's right 1,600 applicants for a single position. I know an architect with 20 years experience stocking shelves at night for target. Three of my former designers are doing miscellaneous hourly work; receptionist, office coordinator and hostess. I'm in scool working on a nursing degree in the hopes of changing career fields.

Like I said the problem is the system itself. Take a class to better yourself or retrain yourself and lose benefits. Take on a seasonal or part-time job and lose benefits. There's nothing in place to help those that want to find work outside of their traditional career paths.

For all those saying cut them off they'll find jobs, you're not being realistic. At 40 with a bachelor's and a master's degree I could not find anything. I tried everything; architecture, construction, retail, call center, local police departments. First question do you have any experience in this field. Being willing to learn and take on anything wasn't enough when there's a stack of resumes from people with experience in the same field. So I learned look for a field where there's demand and re-train myself to enter it.

So for those saying this what's you proposal for how to deal with it? Cutting them off will accomplish little and probably make the problem worse. Saying they're fat and lazy with benefits is a crock as well. I know it varies by state, but in Arizona benefits are $240/week, less than a full-time minimum wage job. That's not enough for me to be fat and lazy on. If anything it's motivation to be looking for something that brings in more money.

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Originally Posted by heavywalker
Just called a guy up and offered him a job a few weeks ago, his reply was I don't want to mess up my unemployment.


No sympathy from me for this guy.

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The skills once held by a lot of the long-term unemployed are now stale. Who wants to hire an IT professional or a financial specialist or a retired military nurse who has been unemployed for a long time? (I have read of several military nurses with Masters Degrees who have not found a job in 2 years of searching).

I am afraid that we have passed the time of economic-phase unemployment and entered the realm of structural unemployment for many people. I don't want to see them or their families become homeless. I don�t have an answer that will satisfy many here, but we do need to do something. The economic situation is global and not related solely to the US and we cannot afford to bail out the rest of the world just to help our own economy.

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I really don't think people want to work.



BINGO


My observation is that this is true for at least a decent % of the pop.



I think you're painting with a very broad brush. While there may be some that are trying to take advantage of the system, every architect, interior designer and construction manager that's lost a job that I know have been working their a$$ off trying to find something, anything to get back working again.

Unfortunately I know a lot of people that have been laid off myself included. In the past 3 years to date, I know of only 2 who were able to find a job in the same field. I know 2 who have attempted to start their own firms out of their homes doing residential remodels and are barely scraping by. One of my former designers is now a dispatcher for Scottsdale PD, she got the job over 1,600 applicants. That's right 1,600 applicants for a single position. I know an architect with 20 years experience stocking shelves at night for target. Three of my former designers are doing miscellaneous hourly work; receptionist, office coordinator and hostess. I'm in scool working on a nursing degree in the hopes of changing career fields.

Like I said the problem is the system itself. Take a class to better yourself or retrain yourself and lose benefits. Take on a seasonal or part-time job and lose benefits. There's nothing in place to help those that want to find work outside of their traditional career paths.

For all those saying cut them off they'll find jobs, you're not being realistic. At 40 with a bachelor's and a master's degree I could not find anything. I tried everything; architecture, construction, retail, call center, local police departments. First question do you have any experience in this field. Being willing to learn and take on anything wasn't enough when there's a stack of resumes from people with experience in the same field. So I learned look for a field where there's demand and re-train myself to enter it.

So for those saying this what's you proposal for how to deal with it? Cutting them off will accomplish little and probably make the problem worse. Saying they're fat and lazy with benefits is a crock as well. I know it varies by state, but in Arizona benefits are $240/week, less than a full-time minimum wage job. That's not enough for me to be fat and lazy on. If anything it's motivation to be looking for something that brings in more money.


Well said and true!

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