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Hard to understand how a bunch of natives dragging poles behind horses and living in skin houses, and eating dogs during the winter came to understand the whiteman's money system in only a seventy five years and the use of government paid lawyers to lay claims to land that they crossed over in there nomadic life styles maybe a few times in their lives. The wheel was invented 5000 years ago but they never figured that out until the whiteman's vehicles showed up. They quickly dumped the horses, and when they found out, if they complained a bit they would get fed for free. Poor natives so abused by the whiteman. Natives need gas too, even if they don't pay taxes on it like the evil whiteman.


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At the present the Indians hold title to next to nothing.It's possible that in the future the courts or the Province may award them title,but at present that is not the case.They have CLAIMED over 150% of the Province(overlapping claims).As usual CS is jumping the gun. Monashee


Your not being upfront Monashee, it was actually 110% I believe because of overlapping claims. AND if you spent some time reading court rulings you would understand that all untreated land in BC under land claims still has unextinguished native titles to deal with..... [/quote] CS,the area I used to live in in the LM was claimed by SEVEN different bands.Fat chance of settling that one!Land claims tend to pop up once something on (or under) the land increases in value.The more it's worth,the more overlapping claims.For example the historic fishing grounds in the Fraser Canyon.Those claims will be fought out between the bands for years.And of course non of the LM or canyon bands will stop fishing the early Stuart sockeyes,so the band that actually depends on the fish gets next to none,while the others flog them to supermarkets.Not much love lost between bands,just like the old days! Monashee

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anyone who doesn't think the natives have a price does not give them enough credit they smell payday and will play hard ball to get their piece of the pie and it will be tens of millions not beads and trinkets like the old days. They are getting very good at getting what they want


That is what an education can do for you! :-) and no one time deals...smart people get residuals and have reopening clauses.

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Originally Posted by 378Canuck
Hard to understand how a bunch of natives dragging poles behind horses and living in skin houses, and eating dogs during the winter came to understand the whiteman's money system in only a seventy five years and the use of government paid lawyers to lay claims to land that they crossed over in there nomadic life styles maybe a few times in their lives. The wheel was invented 5000 years ago but they never figured that out until the whiteman's vehicles showed up. They quickly dumped the horses, and when they found out, if they complained a bit they would get fed for free. Poor natives so abused by the whiteman. Natives need gas too, even if they don't pay taxes on it like the evil whiteman.


Evil whiteman? Ive never heard those words uttered by anyone but evil whiteman! LOL

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Native what? Indians certainly are not "native" americans.

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Native what? Indians certainly are not "native" americans.


Who said 'native'? Oh right that was you...what's your point have to do with the thread?

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Yeah! they changed native to First Nation because many whites came in Canada in the early 1700's such as my ancestors. So basically I'm more native than most First nation since 90% of them were chased up into Canada by the USA calvary. That's why the Jade treaty is still in place because they can return to lands of their birth.


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Native what? Indians certainly are not "native" americans.


Who said 'native'? Oh right that was you...what's your point have to do with the thread?

The point is these groups are not Native, First, or a Nation for that matter and as such have no claim to anything.

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Originally Posted by CanuckShooter
I thought Obama was doing pretty good under the circumstances. He took office heading into one of the worst financial disasters our world has seen in centuries and he has held the USA together! You have to wonder why the opposition would stifle any job creation at this time if it wasn't purly self serving??

He took office heading out and through is terrible policy's has prolonged the poor economy. Has lack of leadership and the Democrat party is solely responsible for Keystone XL being held up. Of course the republicans have forced him into saying yes or now in the next few months.
It will go, if not under Obama, than under the next president.

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Originally Posted by BWalker
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[quote=BWalker]Native what? Indians certainly are not "native" americans.



The point is these groups are not Native, First, or a Nation for that matter and as such have no claim to anything.


They ARE Nations and have been recognized as such by the CROWN, and the international commmunity. As much as it pains you to hear it they are doing deals on a Nation to Nation basis. To try and deny it is just glossing over the facts.


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Originally Posted by 378Canuck
Yeah! they changed native to First Nation because many whites came in Canada in the early 1700's such as my ancestors. So basically I'm more native than most First nation since 90% of them were chased up into Canada by the USA calvary. That's why the Jade treaty is still in place because they can return to lands of their birth.


Your more native than most first nation?? Really?? Best laugh I've had in a long time.

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Originally Posted by CanuckShooter
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[quote=BWalker]Native what? Indians certainly are not "native" americans.



The point is these groups are not Native, First, or a Nation for that matter and as such have no claim to anything.


They ARE Nations and have been recognized as such by the CROWN, and the international commmunity. As much as it pains you to hear it they are doing deals on a Nation to Nation basis. To try and deny it is just glossing over the facts.


Nations my azz. Prior to Europeans arriving you had a stoneage culture comprised of a bunch of savage tribes. Hardly a nation by any stretch of the imagination.
Now the have degenerated into a bunch of drunken social parasites for the most part.

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Originally Posted by 378Canuck
Yeah! they changed native to First Nation because many whites came in Canada in the early 1700's such as my ancestors. So basically I'm more native than most First nation since 90% of them were chased up into Canada by the USA calvary. That's why the Jade treaty is still in place because they can return to lands of their birth.

Indians form the area I live in where chased out in the early 1800's and ended up in the Lake Winnipeg area, where they probably have made land claims....what a joke!

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Originally Posted by CanuckShooter
[quote=BWalker]Native what? Indians certainly are not "native" americans.



The point is these groups are not Native, First, or a Nation for that matter and as such have no claim to anything.


They ARE Nations and have been recognized as such by the CROWN, and the international commmunity. As much as it pains you to hear it they are doing deals on a Nation to Nation basis. To try and deny it is just glossing over the facts.


Nations my azz. Prior to Europeans arriving you had a stoneage culture comprised of a bunch of savage tribes. Hardly a nation by any stretch of the imagination.
Now the have degenerated into a bunch of drunken social parasites for the most part.



Your funny, go back to school and get an education. At least the savages are getting educated these days, perhaps redneck whitefeathers like you will follow suit someday.

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Education is pretty useless when your drunk or huffing gasoline 24/7....

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You missed out on glue and Peerless lake shooters.(photocopier fluid)


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You fellas are pretty lame. Is that the best you can come up with? LOL. It's pretty sad when you have to be jealous of an oppresses people. ;-)

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You mean conquered nation,with good luck from a senile Queen Victoria (Britain)signing treaties with American Indians and metis. Remember we are no longer a British colony so those treaties need to be scrapped. At the time they were probably justified but they should be put to referendum and be voted on. Seems everyone I talk too is sick and tired of BS going on at present.


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The queen is still on your money.....



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Originally Posted by 378Canuck
You mean conquered nation,with good luck from a senile Queen Victoria (Britain)signing treaties with American Indians and metis. Remember we are no longer a British colony so those treaties need to be scrapped. At the time they were probably justified but they should be put to referendum and be voted on. Seems everyone I talk too is sick and tired of BS going on at present.

More like conquered savages.... To bad you guys didnt have Phil Sheridan like we did..

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