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Like such a discussion I had with a now deceased member of the Fire, it is hard for a man who pays so much money for what he thinks may be the perfect gun, to have to admit to himself that it is not.

Like such a discussion I had with a now deceased member of the Fire, it is hard for a man who pays so much money for what he thinks may be the perfect gun, to have to admit to himself that it is not.

Hi gentlemen,

It will be my only one contribution on this thread because arguing about Blaser is like a discussion about politics or religions but here are some facts.

The R93 production today run around 160000 pieces. Blaser don't give the exact number but it's their saying (around 160000)
26000 were sold in France, the second biggest customer of 93 after Germany.
In 2003 (beginning of the year) Blaser made a call back of all the rifles sold before that year because the trigger block could be very dangerous on some rifles: firing at the closing or opening of bolt. I lived one and believe me it's "interesting sensation".
About the accidents: 14 are registered. A norvegian friend of me made a good search about and contacted Blaser. Answer was always: handloaded ammo, not their fault and so on.


As gun loonies and handloaders you must admit that not a single Rem700, Mauser or Winch 70 would have produced the damages to the shooter the R93 did, even with faulty handloaded ammo. Blaser spent time, money, layers and advertising to cover this.

During that time they developped an answer to correct this problem. It's the R8. Most of european specialists (yes we have some) believe that the magazine-trigger block of the R8 so advertised by Blaser is a justification for a totally new system with not a single part interchangeable with the 93 except scope mount and sling.

The R8 action is safer because of new bigger locks, with different angle than the one of 93 and two small levers that are lowered at the bolt closing and act as safety "lugs" in case of blow up. These lever can be opened only when you pull the bolt lever. The bolt head goes deeper in the barrel too.
Blaser planned to push the 93 to an end but they had to gain full production status with the R8 which is done today.

In all Europe the R8 is selling well, but less than expected being heavier and more expensive than R93. In France the R93 remain better seller but it will change soon because Blaser planned a phase out of 93 soon.

For the "camper" who says the R8 was introduced in 08 or 09 sorry to say that's false. It was in january 2010.

Most gun writers i know in Europe and i know a lot don't possess one R93.

10 days ago was in Germany at Zeiss factory. Testing new products i used the R8 in 308Winch to shoot more than 60 cartridges with it in 1 hour and half with not a hitch but did'nt used the 93.

For years have zeroed tens, may be hundreds, Blaser93 for customers. Stopped to do it. Last week one brand new 93 i was mounting scope on, had to come back to the distributor: i was able to open the bolt without being cocked or pushing the cocking piece...Sorry for me it's a safety issue and i don't shoot them any more.


Blaser R95, F3 shotguns, double rifles and other products are real good and with sterling reputation and flawless design.

So if you trust them and like, them use them. Me i stay with old standard. As i wrote above i will not argue on this subject any more, even if i'm old, a bit scared and no Brad Pitt sort of man, i like to keep my face as it is.

Have good day.

Dom

More smoke it appears and this one looks pretty credible to me....I'll continue to pass....

Hi gentlemen,

It will be my only one contribution on this thread because arguing about Blaser is like a discussion about politics or religions but here are some facts.

The R93 production today run around 160000 pieces. Blaser don't give the exact number but it's their saying (around 160000)
26000 were sold in France, the second biggest customer of 93 after Germany.
In 2003 (beginning of the year) Blaser made a call back of all the rifles sold before that year because the trigger block could be very dangerous on some rifles: firing at the closing or opening of bolt. I lived one and believe me it's "interesting sensation".
About the accidents: 14 are registered. A norvegian friend of me made a good search about and contacted Blaser. Answer was always: handloaded ammo, not their fault and so on.


As gun loonies and handloaders you must admit that not a single Rem700, Mauser or Winch 70 would have produced the damages to the shooter the R93 did, even with faulty handloaded ammo. Blaser spent time, money, layers and advertising to cover this.

During that time they developped an answer to correct this problem. It's the R8. Most of european specialists (yes we have some) believe that the magazine-trigger block of the R8 so advertised by Blaser is a justification for a totally new system with not a single part interchangeable with the 93 except scope mount and sling.

The R8 action is safer because of new bigger locks, with different angle than the one of 93 and two small levers that are lowered at the bolt closing and act as safety "lugs" in case of blow up. These lever can be opened only when you pull the bolt lever. The bolt head goes deeper in the barrel too.
Blaser planned to push the 93 to an end but they had to gain full production status with the R8 which is done today.

In all Europe the R8 is selling well, but less than expected being heavier and more expensive than R93. In France the R93 remain better seller but it will change soon because Blaser planned a phase out of 93 soon.

For the "camper" who says the R8 was introduced in 08 or 09 sorry to say that's false. It was in january 2010.

Most gun writers i know in Europe and i know a lot don't possess one R93.

10 days ago was in Germany at Zeiss factory. Testing new products i used the R8 in 308Winch to shoot more than 60 cartridges with it in 1 hour and half with not a hitch but did'nt used the 93.

For years have zeroed tens, may be hundreds, Blaser93 for customers. Stopped to do it. Last week one brand new 93 i was mounting scope on, had to come back to the distributor: i was able to open the bolt without being cocked or pushing the cocking piece...Sorry for me it's a safety issue and i don't shoot them any more.


Blaser R95, F3 shotguns, double rifles and other products are real good and with sterling reputation and flawless design.

So if you trust them and like, them use them. Me i stay with old standard. As i wrote above i will not argue on this subject any more, even if i'm old, a bit scared and no Brad Pitt sort of man, i like to keep my face as it is.

Have good day.

Dom

Spare me.
"Rube Goldberg": A Rube Goldberg machine, contraption, device, or apparatus is a deliberately over-engineered or overdone machine that performs a very simple task in a very complex fashion, usually including a chain reaction.

Gizmo: Something unspecified whose name is either forgotten or not known; "she eased the ball-shaped doodad back into its socket"

Given German propensity to the former, and given the fact the Blaser consists of consiserably more parts that your standard push feed bolt, the term "Rube Goldberg" is not far of the mark. AS for the latter, I don't know the exact terminology of the "gizmos" used in that Rube Goldberg type action, therefor the word usage was accurate.

Your posts have not proven to me (and neither have those from the other side)beyond a reasonable doubt these issues did not occur as advertised, hence the term "smoke". Lastly, my last two comments are my *opinion*. i.e. I don't like detachable magazines, much less as a part of the trigger group and even more so, paying that kind of money for PLASTIC components is something I'm not prepared to do. Nowhere have I called these rifle junk or anything of the sort. So enjoy your Blasers and maybe grow thicker skin. jorge

Last week one brand new 93 i was mounting scope on, had to come back to the distributor: i was able to open the bolt without being cocked or pushing the cocking piece...

Dom

Bite your tonque dear sir! This is no place to be posting the truth! You are clearly attempting to hurt Corejack's feelings! Shame, shame!

I don't doubt that for a minute and I would gladly hunt with one given the opprtunity. Now going out and spending over three grand of my OWN money for an over-engineered rifle that is no more accurate than my plain Model 70 and with plastic parts to boot, no way.

As I said before, I don't doubt there is "some" truth in the Blaser blow up propaganda, but I am curious how many of the naysayers on THIS THREAD are engineers???

I personally know at least a couple of engineers who shoot and hunt with R93's, and like me, they don't feel the need to duck when they pull the trigger.

There is a lot of technical mumbo jumbo spewed on the several message board that I am a member of, and I just want to know how many here really have a clue what you are talking about.

No worries I have a life and I daresay a lot more interesting than yours. That aside, please SHOW ME where I posted something NOT FACTUAL of a definition that was inaccurate. On top of that we had a well-written post by a gentleman from France whose posts have a ring of credibility and of course since the facts don't support your point of view, you dismiss it outright. But let me ask you this; Is the trigger/magazine group of the R-8 not made of plastic and does not the R-8 and R-93 have considerably more moving parts that your standard bolt action rifle? Simple questions..