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Yeah, I noticed Fug bid on some of those, as well as other campfire members. I'll have to ask Doug when he became a shill bidder for Ralph.

Yeah, I am shill bidder for Ralph also....

The first time you have an item go for about half the fair market value you might change your tune. Happened to me on fleabay and that's a lesson I don't need twice. I will admit that seldom happens on the gun auctions but once is enough.

Mike, I personally have never been a fan of reserve auctions and I've never been one to start my auctions off at $0.01 either. I start my auctions at the lowest price that I'll accept, and if folks are interested then they'll bid.

Actually saying that I'm not a fan of reserve auctions is putting it mildly. I hate them. Won't bid on them at all - unless the seller puts the reserve price in the description. I know some folks like the extra views they get by starting it out at a ridiculously low price with a reserve attached, but to me it's like walking into a store and seeing no price on the items, you have to take it to the cash register to see the price.

Jmho.

I know Ralph though, and this paranoia with shill bidders makes me laugh.

Same.

That way bidder(s) and seller know where the other guy stands and there won't be any "funny stuff"

I just don't understand why ppl care about shill bidders especially on reserve auctions... just offer what you are willing to pay and then walk away... you either get it or you don't... no one is forcing you to keep bidding... ppl act like somehow a shill bidder is reaching in your pocket and stealing money from you... but the reality is, you are reaching in your own pocket and that is no one's fault but your own...

I don't personally like reserve auctions either but can understand why sellers would use them... I also think shill bidding is just poor sportsmanship if you will but I don't get too worked up over it... it has the distinct possibility to come back on the seller...

Mainly because with an auction your always excited to see if you can get something real nice for real cheap. With shill bidders you don't get the rush, still get the item, but not the rush.

but in that regard, its no different then a high starting price or a reserve... both of which are advocated by some on here...

True enough.

Ralphs auctions are just like going fishing ,you just keep casting adding more bait each time!!!!! half the time he don't have the caliber in the description!! I could care about a reserve auction, i would rather see a real starting price, with no reserves from any sellers. I would think Stever would be getting tired of bidding over and over on those rifles !!! Don

Ralph had a postmil 250F listed with pictures of an EG and the best part... last I saw it, it was bid up to almost $1000!!!

See somebody met the reserve on his 308 EG.

Somebody must really want that gun.

Reminds me of the mint one I left behind for 650

Drew, he added the correct pictures on that 250F eventually.

Well Minox has the binocs out to match the Savage 9.3x62:




Can the scopes be far behind?

"Signal-colored camouflage products for hunting and outdoor activities are now very popular. In Europe, the demand for technical equipment or clothing of a camouflage design has risen substantially over recent years. MINOX, the optics specialist from Wetzlar, is responding to this trend and is offering its proven BV binocular line in an orange camouflage look. Especially when out on driven hunts or tracking in dense vegetation the new binoculars BV 8x42 and BV 10x42 Orange Camo provide even greater reliability and flexibility."

Shill bidding capitalizes on people that don't know as much as they should. If (some) people see there are others interested and there is a good deal of bidding, they think the gun must be really worth it, special, etc. A potential buyer should really know that on their own. If you need other people's (apparent) enthusiasm to tell you that it is worth more than you thought on your own, you are out of your depth and shouldn't be bidding (unless you truly have money to burn).

So I am suppse to dislike shill bidding b/c stupid ppl exist?

Nope - I am not suggesting you dislike shill bidding. It is just part of what goes into, "caveat emptor." And I think you have that down pretty well, Drew

As was previously said:

"Just bid what you are willing to pay and you either get it or you don't...that's it... What is the issue with that?"

It's called KISS.

[quote=lovemy99] I just don't understand why ppl care about shill bidders especially on reserve auctions... just offer what you are willing to pay and then walk away... you either get it or you don't... no one is forcing you to keep bidding... ppl act like somehow a shill bidder is reaching in your pocket and stealing money from you... but the reality is, you are reaching in your own pocket and that is no one's fault but your own...

Are you a shill bidder?

If you're asking me the answer is no. Gun auctions we list start at the price we will take and have a buy it now. Just have them on auto-relist and they all eventually sell.