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Been looking at a marlin XS7 in 22-250 .....they only offer it in 1-14 twists........any thoughts?
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depends on what you intend to shoot lite or heavy,decide whats its intended for.
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1-14 will stabalize all bullets in the 55g Weight, 60g Sierra HP, and 63g Sierra HP....contrary to some popular myths.
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True dat..and with a 55 TTSX, you can kill anything...
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I've just been through the try to find a good 22-250 load; though my barrel is a 1:12 twist, I couldn't get Barnes bullets to give as good accuracy as more traditional offerings. I also tried them in a 1:10 twist 223 Remington barrel with similar results.
Personally, I don't think I'd buy a 22-250 with a twist any slower than 1:12.
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My old savage 110 is 1-14 twist.try 50gr barnes at 2.350 and 37.5gr h380 just to start.all other bullets i use a manual for starting oal.4895 r15 and 4064 are just what ive found that werks.usually if i keep the speed to 3500-3600 it shoots accurate as hell
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True dat..and with a 55 TTSX, you can kill anything... I still don't get why Barnes says 1 in 9 or faster but folks shoot it accurately in a 1 in 14... 22 Caliber Diameter Weight Description S.D. B.C. CAT# NEW .224" 50-gr Tipped TSX FB (1:12 Twist or Faster) .142 22452 NEW .224" 55-gr Tipped TSX BT (1:9 Twist or Faster) .157 22453 NEW .224" 62-gr Tipped TSX BT (1:8 Twist or Faster) .177 22454 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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True dat..and with a 55 TTSX, you can kill anything... as will the often overlooked 70 grain SMP Speer...
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Regarding Barnes, while they SHOULD stabilize, in my gun they didn't. 1-14" twist, 53 grain TSX, every damn one of 'em keyholed at 100 yards and the groups were over 5 inches.
So ... if they work out for you, GREAT. "good on ya!" but that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone else.
I couldn't get the 60 grain partition to shoot much better. They didn't keyhole, but the groups were around 3-1/2 inches.
Best I could do with a hunting bullet was with the 55 grain Trophy Bonded flat base, around MOA.
That gun, with 50 grain TNTs and 50 grain SXes, shot in the .2s 'til I torched the throat and the jackets started failing, so it sure wasn't a gun that wouldn't shoot.
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Weird...but stranger things have happened...try a 50 Gr TTSX......or a 45 gr TSX...
I had a similar experience with 60 NPTs
55 gr TBBCs always shot pretty good for me too..
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[quote=T_O_M]Regarding Barnes, while they SHOULD stabilize, in my gun they didn't. 1-14" twist, 53 grain TSX, every damn one of 'em keyholed at 100 yards and the groups were over 5 inches.
So ... if they work out for you, GREAT. "good on ya!" but that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone else.
I couldn't get the 60 grain partition to shoot much better. They didn't keyhole, but the groups were around 3-1/2 inches.
Best I could do with a hunting bullet was with the 55 grain Trophy Bonded flat base, around MOA.
That gun, with 50 grain TNTs and 50 grain SXes, shot in the .2s 'til I torched the throat and the jackets started failing, so it sure wasn't a gun that wouldn't shoot.
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try the 45 and 50s in barnes.mine wouldnt shoot the 53s either.
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53gr TSX would not stablize in my 1:14 .22-250 fixed that with a new 1:8 twist barrel and have 62gr TSX singing thru it now
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[quote=T_O_M]Regarding Barnes, while they SHOULD stabilize, in my gun they didn't. 1-14" twist, 53 grain TSX, every damn one of 'em keyholed at 100 yards and the groups were over 5 inches.
So ... if they work out for you, GREAT. "good on ya!" but that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone else.
I couldn't get the 60 grain partition to shoot much better. They didn't keyhole, but the groups were around 3-1/2 inches.
Best I could do with a hunting bullet was with the 55 grain Trophy Bonded flat base, around MOA.
That gun, with 50 grain TNTs and 50 grain SXes, shot in the .2s 'til I torched the throat and the jackets started failing, so it sure wasn't a gun that wouldn't shoot.
Tom [/quo
try the 45 and 50s in barnes.mine wouldnt shoot the 53s either. I could not get the 60g nosler to group either. So, the 55g Hornady Sp ended up a winner, just place your shot...really tough bullet and the 60g Sierra HP is a shore nuff tough bullet for a 1-14 twist.
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53s did the same,keyholed but the 50s and 45s are hot.mine wont shoot em if the col is more than 2.350,looks like a shotgun pattern.
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55g Barnes will not stabalize in a 1-14, and the 60g Partition will shoot 1 1/2" groups in some 1-14 twist 22/250's and not in others, for deer.
If you can find any, the 55g Bear Claws will shoot very well in a 1-14 twist for deer.
Savage makes a 22/250 with a 1-9 twist if you are interested in heavier bullets.
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55g Barnes will not stabalize in a 1-14, and the 60g Partition will shoot 1 1/2" groups in some 1-14 twist 22/250's and not in others, for deer.
If you can find any, the 55g Bear Claws will shoot very well in a 1-14 twist for deer.
Savage makes a 22/250 with a 1-9 twist if you are interested in heavier bullets.
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Odd that you guys arent getting the Barnes 53-55 grainers to stabilize in a 1 in 14...Ive never had any trouble at all with them...but wonky things DO happen with rifles at times.
A Big +1 on the 55 gr TBBCs..if you can still find any, that was my "go to" bullet before the advent of TSXs...
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General rule of thumb: twist rate is more about bullet length less about bullet mass. 12 and 14 twists should be good up to 60gr copper/lead bullets. Faster (9 & 7)is better for >60. My own experience suggests it's better to err to the side of too fast a rate. The Barnes bullets are long for a given mass hence the recommended faster rate.
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Exactamundo..good post...also its the reason the 63 gr. Sierra SMP shoots well in slower twist barrels...its a short, fat bullet...
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Never regretted having an 1-8"tw 22-250. Even the 40vmaxs shot well.....so did everything else. 
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