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Not to mention that shooting for the head is usually not the perferred shot, center mass gives you the best chance, and unless they are on top of you, the 410 is going to be lacking.

Not to mention jwp has such a pretty face.



Travis

It's gotta be bettern a sharp stick!

LOL! Who'd want to mess that up?!

Why not?

Why would I? It's not what they're designed for..

Correct - but sometimes it's all ya got.. With standard ammo - yes.. With the new stuff, it's a new ballgame.. Besides, it's a lot easier to miss with a single slug from a .45LC when compared to the spread from the self-defense .410 ammo..

And, there's the option of having a partial cylinder with .410, and the rest being .45LC.. Lotsa possibilities.. It's all I'm sayin'..

Well that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors of ice cream, you can get what you want. The "Judge" is just not my flavor as a self-defense gun. It may be your favorite flavor, if it is, I would suggest trying a different one.

Ignoring that I don't believe for a minute that those "hot" .410 loads are "the stuff".....Gee Idunno - $14 for ten rounds vs $22 for 50 rounds of 230gr HP .45acp. And then there's the issue of practice ammo. I can make reloads that duplicate ballistics of carry loads for pretty cheap. I'm not even gonna entertain the idea of duplicating something like the .410 PDX.

What do those Winchester PDX projectiles weigh? 50-60 grains? At 750fps (claimed velocity on box), I am not impressed.

OBTW - exploding melons proves nothing....except that one can be an incredible bore on youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTKmrv_lA

I figured.


Travis

Yah - as we used to say in the car biz - 'there's an azz for every seat'.. Never said it was.. Just that it's useful as one in certain circumstances, and that can be said about any handgun..

No question - and no argument there..

I'm sure you realize that most 230 gr 45ACP loads aren't much faster.. The .45LC in a modern handgun makes the .45ACP look like a peashooter..



Note that I'm just takin' the other side here for argument's sake. As with ANY firearm there are those that like 'em, and those that don't.. Glocks for example.. There are those here who fall to their knees every night at their Glock-shrine while I wouldn't have one if it was free..

Many handguns are nearly worthless in certain situations, yet shine in others.. It's why there's a ton of various models in tons of various calibers..

Whatever pontoon floats the boat you're in works for me..

Are you comparing those PDX loads to the 230gr hardball in an ACP?


Travis

You must have used some pretty schitty sharp sticks.


Travis

Lynn;

Buy it cheap. Trade it in on something worth having.

Y'all are hilarious..

There are Bobcat .22LRs used in self defense.. .25ACPs, .32ACPs.. All will work in the right circumstances..

But a Judge? Nah - worthless as sand in the Gobi, according to the essssperts.. Nope - only a .454Casull's worth a hill o' beans, or a Bowie knife ...



(Pokin' ribs here.. ) Heheheee..

Oh - I'm not saying the Judge is worthless. Just that there are way too many other guns I'd buy first, for whatever.

re: Comparing the PDX load with .45acp...Yes the 230gr loads generally aren't much faster - but they're 230gr, as opposed to three disk-like projectiles at maybe 60gr (?) a piece. I wouldn't even count the BB's. No comparison!

Coincidentally, the Judge is now available in 454 Casull.

I'd rather compare your hardball to my Hornady Critical Defense 45 Colt's. One 45 to center mass followed by a Winchester to the noggin should do for most bad guys short of Bigfoot.

Most of y'all that are hatin' on the Judge probably secretly have one that you get out before you go to bed and fondle.

I don't think Lee is comparing one disc to a hardball load. I took it that he's saying that the discs should penetrate just as well as 45 Hardball which nobody knocks.

I would suggest you not buying it for a good price only if someone would volunteer to stand 10ft in front of you while you unload 3 rounds into them showing you how ineffective the rounds are, heck they can even wear a leather jacket! After the smoke clears and they say "see what did I tell ya", I would then decline the sale.
You can even alter the rounds .410 buck shot , slug, then 45 LC

It may not be the ideal self defense gun, but it still will work.
Not a bad idea having a few (firearms) around the house in special hidden spots out of reach of your grandaughter JIC you need something right now and you are not near your main protective firearm.

So any volunteers?

The 'Judge' ???
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Not many circumstances where I'd want to be shooting .410 shotgun shells out of a 'rifled' handgun barrel. Even if the Judge 'was' an extremely accurate handgun, it's just too big and butt-ugly.

It's so ugly I wouldn't be able to close my eyes and sleep at night - with 'that' sleeping next to me on the night stand.

Just compare the Judge to a Ruger Vaquero in 45 Colt ...
It's like 'Beauty and the Beast'.

(You can always shoot tight-grouping 45 Colt 'Shotshells' out ot the Vaquero anyway.)