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I have not found the copper bullets performance that stellar. Of course my data base is small. I have killed two elk with the 160 TSX, one 100 yards the other a measured 330. Both well hit from of a 7mm STW, but both took an extra shot to anchor. I really am not used to putting a bullet tight behind the near shoulder, exiting out the far side in front of the off shoulder and watch them walk away. That does not happen with a 180 Partition. I have also recovered 1 TSX, after two elk kills, and only 4 PT's after 50 years of hunting them. I recently spent a fair amount of time and $ finding a bullet/ powder combination for that STW that would launch Nosler bullets accurately. Was able to get the 175PT and the 160AB both shooting well with two separate powders. If the mono's out preformed the PT I would be using them . I care little about what brand comes out of the barrel but I do care about how it works

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Originally Posted by exbiologist
I'm pretty much going the opposite direction nowadays, avoiding all copper bullets since I tend to shoot calibers that don't benefit as much from the increased penetration they offer. Also like the added fragmentation and perceived quicker deaths offered by jacketed bullets.


Yep, sooner or later all these guys that think they are the cats meow are going to realize that.


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JMCUBIC,

Take a look at this link:

www.springerlink.com/index/BFPM6CLJ036W3VKW.pdf


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JCM- if you decide to go with copper bullets, how sure are you that there won't be cross contamination as your processor is making sausage?

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It's not like copper ain't toxic either:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_toxicity


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If you carry around nothing but copper pennies in your pockets, it will cause

poverty.


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Originally Posted by saddlesore
Originally Posted by exbiologist
I'm pretty much going the opposite direction nowadays, avoiding all copper bullets since I tend to shoot calibers that don't benefit as much from the increased penetration they offer. Also like the added fragmentation and perceived quicker deaths offered by jacketed bullets.


Yep, sooner or later all these guys that think they are the cats meow are going to realize that.


Add me to this group as well
Also, I have not been able to get groups quite as tight with my preferred rifle using copper.

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I have shot copper since the original x bullet. Not because of lead poisioning but because they work well. I use the TTSX now in .243 Win, 7mm-08 Rem, .308 Win and .338-06.

You don't have to worry about the lead as long as it is in a solid form. You eat it and it comes out just like it went in.

The only way it gets in your bloodstream is in powder form which is called "oxide" which is ground up lead. It can get in your system then from eating or breathing it. That is supposedly how ducks etc with gizzards get poisioned from injesting the lead shot from the bottom of the ponds.

The local battery plant is one of my customers and I have to be blood tested every three months because of the powdered lead in the air to see what the level in my blood is. You can suck on a fishing weight all day and not get any in your system.




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Duurmeehr is absolutely right, elemental lead isn't a health threat.

However, lead particles may not necessarily pass through. There are a couple of case studies that make you go "hmmmmmm". From these case studies, it would seem that the appendix can function somewhat like a crop in birds:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3015486/

http://www.jpedsurg.org/article/0022-3468%2894%2990240-2/abstract

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst?docId=5009467934


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3980552

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1440-1673.1988.tb02755.x/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/893519

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc060133


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Pretty interesting reading Dutch. It looks like it is more an appendicitis issue than lead poisioning issue!

Glad I had mine out!

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