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I like it, glad mine has it. Great to pop the extractor over the rim if you follow the charging handle a little too much. Hell of a lot better then pulling the mag and dropping the bolt again.
Used it a couple times varmint calling the other night as a matter of fact.
You need to call it. I can't call it for you.
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They are. If you buy one with out it, you are throwing your money away...
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I now have four uppers without the FA and haven't had an issue. I can't even stage the sort of malfunction in my Colt that would require the FA, despite having fired 1400 rounds without cleaning since I got it in 2010.
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They are. If you buy one with out it, you are throwing your money away... I don't know why your are doing drive by's on all these old posts tonight, but at least give good advice. Everyone has been wrong.
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FA sure does make quiet chambering when hunting a lot easier.
And for the dust storms we ride around in at times... just a bit more peace of mind for chambering rounds when we find a yote/hog etc...
I especially wouldn't pay MORE for a stripped upper with LESS on it...
And no one ever decided to do away with FA on the M1, M1 carbine, AK, SKS, M14 etc....(well that could make initial chambering a bit rough though...)
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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When it was first added to the rifle the FA was an increase in cost of 5%. Now economies of scale favor the FA, but that will change as uppers without FA become more popular.
As to chambering quietly, I can do that without the FA too, but I'm not in the habit of running around with an empty weapon.
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No.
But I wouldn't have an AR without it.
It's one of those things you never need, until you do. +1 No reason to not have it. I've seen magazine problems cause stoppages that were easily fixed with the slightest nudge on the FA many many times. Same can happen with a dirty & dry rifle.
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I'd be curious to know what magazine issues can be fixed by pushing on the bolt.
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Bottom line - If you don't like it, then don't buy a rifle that has it. I like to use it to ensure that the bolt is locked in when predator calling. Depends on what you use your AR for I suppose. I see no reason not to have it.
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I like not having it because it is seven parts, two springs, a significant number of machining operations, two ounces and it protrudes dramatically from my rifle.
But, that's just me.
FWIW Rainier has been selling 100 of those uppers a month since they brought them out, with the rate increasing dramatically as time went on.
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Nope. Doesn't hurt anything, but if I got a good deal on a receiver/rifle without an assist I'd jump on it.
If your AR isn't in battery you should be pulling the charging handle, not hitting your FA, anyway.
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When the idea is to not make any noise, racking the charging handle is counter productive.
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When the idea is to not make any noise, racking the charging handle is counter productive. I can lower the bolt on a live round slowly and get it ready to go without a charging handle. The real question is, why can't you?
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I see upper recievers some with and some without, are they a must have? No.
Yup.
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When the idea is to not make any noise, racking the charging handle is counter productive. I can lower the bolt on a live round slowly and get it ready to go without a charging handle. The real question is, why can't you? When someone is trying to kill your a$$, the noise isn't an issue. If you are slowly lowering an AR bolt, and not checking for crossover, you are fundamentally ignorant of how to operate the weapon. Just because stupid schit works most of the time doesn't mean it isn't still stupid.
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When coyotes start shooting back, I'll take this "schit" more seriously...
In the mean time I load at the truck and I'm pretty sure they heard the truck rolling in anyway. I also know how to load a magazine (push/pull) and have never had one of my guns not pick up a shell.
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Checking the magazine for which side the top round is on, inserting and chambering then removing mag and feeling that the top round is on the opposite side.
It is to ensure that a round has in fact been chambered... Like a press check only different.
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I think he's referring to checking the mag to see which side the shell is on and after loading a round, removing said mag to see if the next round is on the other side now. I know the GP is to keep from having to press check but I could be wrong.
Push/pull is quicker and doesn't double the chance of a mag not seating.
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When coyotes start shooting back, I'll take this "schit" more seriously...
In the mean time I load at the truck and I'm pretty sure they heard the truck rolling in anyway. I also know how to load a magazine (push/pull) and have never had one of my guns not pick up a shell. Just wait 'till them "tactical" coy dogs get after you.
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