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#6241895 - 03/01/12 Re: This is why people think California is full of crazy people [Re: nifty-two-fifty]  
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You arent supposed to see a lion in broad daylight, if you do, it means the numbers are extreamly high in that area. That's why smart wardens understand, that lion needs to be eliminated as the population is too high. But that really brings up the stupidity of allowing average citizens vote on a subject they know nothing about: Population dynamics in the wild. The whole purpose of Fish and Game Divisions within states is to manage the populations of the wild animals for their benefit,and well being, and yes, quality of life. Something the concrete society (city slickers) know nothing about, yet demand it of 10 year olds who take the CA Hunters safety course. Your question should be, what does population dynamics have to do with hunter safety? Nothing, which is why the enviro's demanded it be on there, to flunk young kids taking the test. Population dynamics is the job of fish and game, not the voting public of California. But CA is so screwed up with their Proposition system. All it is now is a way to bypass the assembly if they cant pass a law, then they rile up the liberals and pass it as a Proposition. That was never the original intent of the Proposition system.

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#6242102 - 03/01/12 Re: This is why people think California is full of crazy people [Re: AggieDog]  
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I used to tell this to people in other states ALL THE TIME.

Get a hold of your initiative process before it [bleep] you. And get a law passed that prohibits wildlife laws being passed by initiative.

But I'm from California, and I shouldn't tell people how to live in their native states.. So I just keep my mouth shut now.


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#6242378 - 03/01/12 Re: This is why people think California is full of crazy people [Re: AggieDog]  
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But for all you CA bashers, funny how you didnt win your battle on the reintroduction of the wolf.......How's that working out for ya?


That was the Federal Gooberment forcing wolves down our throats, not state law passed be the citizenry.


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#6242576 - 03/01/12 Re: This is why people think California is full of crazy people [Re: 700LH]  
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But for all you CA bashers, funny how you didnt win your battle on the reintroduction of the wolf.......How's that working out for ya?


That was the Federal Gooberment forcing wolves down our throats, not state law passed be the citizenry.



And who lobbied the Feds? I get that you ran from CA and now feel warm and fuzzy like liberalism is in your rear view mirror, but by your own admission it is on the way to the street in which you live. It is really counter productive to aim your dire at a state, mor so than liberalism everywhere.

In the 50's and early 60's CA was conservative, so what makes you think it can't happen to your state?








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They've shot 4 lions in the Genesee arm of Indian Valley on depredation permits. Ask kids up that way how those 4H projects are working out.

Mountain lions killed after killing puppy and goats
Alicia Knadler
Indian Valley Editor
2/1/2012

There have been several mountain lion sightings in Indian Valley recently, causing some concern among ranchers and residents alike.

A mountain lion was taken under depredation permit Monday, Jan. 23, after it killed a border collie puppy over the weekend in Genesee, and another two lions were killed Wednesday, Jan. 25.

The puppy was taken right off a well-lit porch at the home of Brian and Heather Kingdon early Saturday evening, with adult dogs around and the owners inside watching television.

Another lion that killed goats on a neighboring ranch was still being pursued, according to local Department of Fish and Game (DFG) Warden Kyle Kroll.

Van Probst, well known for his lion tracking abilities and work with landowners and local game wardens, killed the lions.

“I think there’s two yearlings and a female,” Probst said of the first three lions seen in the Genesee area.

He thinks maybe the lion’s offspring have been recently forced out on their own and know where the easy prey is.

Kroll, local game warden formerly of Gilroy, agrees with Probst about there being more than one lion hunting in the Genesee community.

He’s awarded about six to 10 permits a year to residents with lion-versus-livestock problems.

The encounters do not surprise Probst, for he knows the lions will follow the deer down off the mountainsides in the area during periods of bad weather.

He’s received several calls lately about mountain lion sightings in Indian Valley.

“There’s a lot of them out there,” he finished.

Residents have spotted one mountain lion above Williams Valley Road, one at Stampfli Lane near Crescent Mills, and at Christmastime one along North Valley Road, about five miles from Greenville.

No humans have been killed by mountain lions in Plumas County, according to history recorded by DFG, though there have been a few close encounters reported for the region.

One such encounter related by former warden Bob Orange back in 1994 involved a fly fisherman in Yellow Creek who batted a lion about the nose with the tip of his fishing pole while he yelled for help and slowly backed up to where his friend was fishing.

Heather Kingdon reported that another lion was killed Thursday, Jan. 26, bringing the total number of Genesee lions killed under depredation permit to four.

One lion was killed with the puppy in its mouth, and the other three were killed upon returning to the goats they killed in her father’s barn.

“My father has a guard dog,” Kingdon said. “However, she was no match for three to four lions at a time.”

Warden Byron Hernandez, who issued the depredation permits, refused to comment personally, instead directing questions to his department’s official information sources.

Several contacts were attempted, unsuccessfully, before press time.

Specially protected

Mountain lions are not endangered or threatened, yet they are a specially protected animal and may not be hunted without a depredation permit.

The hunting of mountain lions was banned back in the early 1970s, when the population was low.

In the 1990s, the population had recovered enough that the state tried to reopen a limited hunting season, Kroll said, but it was stopped by litigation from animal rights groups before opening day.

Not only was it stopped, the groups pushed for legislation and a vote of the people that basically ended the ability to legally hunt lions in California.

It was mainly voters from Los Angeles and San Francisco, Kroll added, because of the money animal rights groups spent on television advertising.

To restore a managed lion population, like deer, bear and other game animals, it would take another vote of the people.

“There is a healthy population right now,” he said.

Stay safe

The DFG website offers the following tips and information:

—Do not hike, bike or jog alone, especially when mountain lions are most active: at dawn, dusk and at night.

—Keep a close watch on children.

—If an encounter occurs, do not run. Face the lion, make noise, wave your arms and try to look bigger. Pick children up. Throw rocks or sticks.

—If attacked, fight back, and call 911 immediately.

Don’t attract lions

—Don’t feed deer or other wildlife that may be prey.

—Avoid planting shrubs deer like to eat and trim brush to remove hiding places.

—Don’t leave small children or pets outside unattended, and don’t let pets outside at dawn, dusk or at night.

—Bring pet food inside to avoid attracting raccoons, skunks and other potential lion prey.

Depredation permit needed

It is illegal to hunt or kill mountain lions in California, unless one has a depredation permit issued by a DFG warden, or if it is an immediate threat to human safety.

Mountain lions that threaten people are killed immediately. Those that prey on pets or livestock can be killed after the required depredation permit is issued.

Trapping and moving mountain lions is not an option, due to potential conflicts with other lions, which inhabit more than half of the state, wherever deer are found.

To contact the DFG for a permit, call the Northern California North Coast Region office in Redding at 225-2300.



Depredation permit statistics

From 1999 to 2009, there were 2,117 depredation permits issued statewide. Of those, 54 were issued in Plumas County, 37 in Lassen and 16 in Sierra.

In DFG records dating back to 1972, the counties with the highest numbers of depredation permits issued were Mendocino, with 635 permits and 317 killed, and El Dorado, with 339 and 111 killed. Plumas, in comparison, had 106 permits and 49 killed; Lassen had 83 and 43; and Sierra had 30 and 16.

There has not been a verified mountain lion attack on a human since January 2007, when a 70-year-old man lived after being attacked while at Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park in Humboldt County.


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#6242663 - 03/01/12 Re: This is why people think California is full of crazy people [Re: Barkoff]  
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But for all you CA bashers, funny how you didnt win your battle on the reintroduction of the wolf.......How's that working out for ya?


That was the Federal Gooberment forcing wolves down our throats, not state law passed be the citizenry.


Maybe in your state you dont have the US Fish and Wildlife Service, BLM, and the US Forest Service, but out west, we do, and guess what, not just in CA, but in all the western states, they are overrun with greeny environmentalists.....welcome to the club.

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But for all you CA bashers, funny how you didnt win your battle on the reintroduction of the wolf.......How's that working out for ya?


That was the Federal Gooberment forcing wolves down our throats, not state law passed be the citizenry.


Maybe in your state you dont have the US Fish and Wildlife Service, BLM, and the US Forest Service, but out west, we do, and guess what, not just in CA, but in all the western states, they are overrun with greeny environmentalists.....welcome to the club.




You Ca. guys are an emotional bunch, I do give ya that, ceptin you completely missed the point.

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- Voters approve Proposition 117 that bans mountain lion hunting and creates a $30 million-per-year Habitat Conservation Fund


http://mountainlion.org/abouthistory.asp


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#6242778 - 03/01/12 Re: This is why people think California is full of crazy people [Re: ranger1]  
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This was out a month of two ago. Insane!


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At last, some perspective in today's SF Chronicle:


Killing mountain lions has long been state's role

Tom Stienstra

The most charged debate over hunting ethics and fair chase in California since the mid-1990s is much the same as it was in 1996: How can someone shoot a mountain lion out of a tree?

In a similar debate that year, voters defeated Proposition 197 by a ratio of 58 percent to 42 percent, blocking a proposal to allow mountain lion hunting in California.

That is almost the same ratio, 56 percent to 44 percent, as of late Thursday of the poll at www.sfgate.com/polls, which asked, "Should Daniel Richards be removed as Fish & Game Commission president?"

Richards hunted and killed a mountain lion in January in Idaho, where it is legal. Since a trophy kill photo was published at Western Outdoor News (WONews.com), a debate has been raging about whether Richards is fit to serve as Fish and Game Commission president.

Many are asking: How are we even in this position?

The answer lies in the shifting of population to cities over the past 100 years and, with it, the balance of power. With that shift has come a change in how lions are perceived and managed.

In 1907, the Legislature ordered the Department of Fish and Game to place a $20 bounty on mountain lions. In 1914, it was raised to $30 for females and in 1945 raised again to $50 for males and $60 for females. In addition, 18 counties paid a bonus on top of it. The bounty was ended in 1963.

In the 57 years it was in effect, state bounty money was paid out on 12,461 mountain lions.

The program was so important to maintaining the health of deer herds and protecting livestock that in 1948, Fish and Game hired five full-time lion hunters and 40 trappers to help implement it, according to the late Dick Weaver, a Fish and Game wildlife scientist and historian.

The mountain lion was classified as a game mammal in 1966. After 35 were killed in the 1970 hunting season and 83 in the 1971 season, the "shooting-them-out-of-a-tree" debate sparked public outrage.

For the first time, the focus swung to hunter ethics and fair chase and away from damage caused by lion predation.

During the 1971 season, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed a moratorium. In 1990, Proposition 117 made the ban permanent, winning 52 percent to 48 percent in a split defined by urban versus rural voters. The public upheld that decision in 1996 with Prop. 197.

While lions are abundant, and not threatened or endangered, that ballot initiative declared the lions "a specially protected mammal."

Even with the ban, 2,157 mountain lions were killed from 1990 to 2009 through depredation permits and for public safety, according to the Department of Fish and Game.

Tom Stienstra is The San Francisco Chronicle's outdoors writer.
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Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/01/MNGI1NF199.DTL#ixzz1nynAyfN9


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#6243940 - 03/02/12 Re: This is why people think California is full of crazy people [Re: Flyfast]  
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And a better one from a columnist with the Sacramento Bee

Dan Walters: California legislators show their hypocrisy over hunting issue
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By Dan Walters
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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 29, 2012 - 12:00 am | Page 3A
Last Modified: Wednesday, Feb. 29, 2012 - 10:36 am
Dan Richards, who chairs the California Fish and Game Commission, is under fire in the Capitol because he killed a mountain lion in Idaho and posed with his trophy for a picture that was later published on a hunting publication website.

Forty Democratic legislators signed a letter to Richards saying he should resign. "Your actions raise serious questions about whether you respect the laws of the people of California and whether you are fit to adequately enforce those laws," the lawmakers told Richards. Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom later joined the chorus.

So let's get this straight.

First of all, Richards is not Dan Richard, who chairs the state's High-Speed Rail Authority and has more than enough controversy of his own.

Back to Richards, the Fish and Game Commission chairman.

Mountain lion hunting is illegal in California, thanks to a ballot measure approved by voters in 1990. It is, however, not illegal for mountain lions to hunt human beings, as several attacks attest.

Nor is it illegal to hunt mountain lions in Idaho, and Richards' trophy was perfectly legal. "I'm glad it's legal in Idaho," he told the Western Outdoor News website.

So Richards appears to be guilty only of offending the sensibilities of the Legislature, whatever they may be.

This is the same Legislature that offends the sensibilities of most Californians, according to a recent Field Poll, because lawmakers habitually ignore important issues, carry bills of self-serving trivia, help special interests, and manipulate their schedules to maximize their incomes.

This is the same Legislature that didn't react when one of its members was caught by police with a prostitute in his car, parked alongside a busy Los Angeles highway, or when another crashed her state-issued car while driving recklessly, injuring two people.

More recently, this is the same Legislature that didn't respond when a member was nailed for shoplifting, or when another carried a loaded pistol into an airport security checkpoint.

As for Newsom, a politician who had an affair with his top campaign aide's wife shouldn't moralize.

Let's dig a little deeper.

Should any political figure who does something legally elsewhere that is illegal in California also resign?

Should an official who legally hunts any animal or catches any fish elsewhere that's protected in California be censured? Should one who legally bets on basketball in Reno be required to do penance in California?

Same-sex marriages are still illegal in California, although that may, thankfully, change soon. Would it be improper for a gay or lesbian legislator to legally marry in another state?

The letter to Richards is the sort of hypocritical, politically correct claptrap for which the Legislature has become justly infamous.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/29/4298896/dan-walters-california-legislators.html#storylink=cpy


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