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Unimpressed at 6.5#s...5.5 would be worth looking at.

Kinda like car companies raving about their 38 mpg cars in 2012 when 50 mpg was around 30 years ago.


Where's the advancement for Remington?

My Kimber 84L MT weigh's 6lb's 10oz's scoped with sling and 4 rounds.

I paid $1050 for the rifle and it shoots great.

The McM Edge stock is in a whole different league than the Kimber Montana stock. Can't compare them.

I'll take a 700/Edge over a Montana any day.

Utter Bull Chit. I've had both.

The Kimber is a hand-laid fiberglass stock with pillars.

You need to get a clue if that's possible.

McMillan Edge is hands down the best thing going for a hard use mountain rifle, that will last you through countless mountain hunts in a harsh environment and conditions. I give the Kimber Mt stock a slight Edge over the B&C Ti stocks, but not by much.

Both the production Kimber and the B&C stocks are worth about $125 to $150, and even that is a bit much, IMO. And I've had, hunted, and beat the snot out of all 3 stocks. Edge by a mile when it comes to long term durability, stiffness, and fit/finish.

Okay Calvin, I'll take your word for it, but I'd like a few "for instances" regarding the B&C and Kimber MT. The only McMillan I have any experience with is an Army HTG and that thing had the ergs of something DeSade would design and was a boat anchor for sure. The MT stock is stiff, the B&C not so much I've noticed. The fore end needs to be a lot stiffer to make me happy.

I don't like the ergos of a Kimber Montana stock, it just does not work for me. In fact I got rid of the stock off my 243 Montana and its going to have a MPI stock put on it.

Now that just goes to show we ain't all the same. The stock on the MT is the only reason I haven't sold the one I have. I'll bet you like that B&C that is on the Weatherby UL's. I hated that stock so much I sold a good rifle.

Having owned McM edge for a rem model 7 and a Kimber Montana I prefer the Montana regardless of if it is a cheaper stock. I just like it better and for any of us that's all that matters.

Personally I feel you're working in a very good direction for this. I have as similar rig in a .260 and it's a pure joy to run.

I even have a 2-8 Leo on it with a M1 on top. It works very well, if one wanted to go a bit lighter and liked the B&C concept then I'd go with a 6x36 Leo with dotz. That'd save you a couple maybe.

I'd say rock on with your project, and he can get to filling up some arks.

Dober

You couldn't buy a clue.

The B&C is a chopped glass stock and is junk.

The Kimber is a laid stock ala McMillan, Bansner, et al.

The Edge has a laid shell but a different fill. Dat's it.

Considering you don't know the difference between chopped and laid glass, you're WAG in public is funny.

If a Costa Rican stock floats your boat, then have at it. I've had them all, and I know that McMillan is head and shoulders above anything on the market as far as stocks go.

Is the Kimber Montana a good all around package for hunting? Sure. One of the better production rifles out there. I sold one of the most accurate ones around. I've never seen guys post pics of groups of what mine would do. But I suffered no inflated love affair for a $800 production rifle.

BTW, I've attended and graduated from the military school of advanced composites in Pensacola FL. Composites was my thing, as an a&p mechanic in the service. I'm sure if I'd have taken a career of dunking fries I'd understand more.

I've done a bit of rooting around (so to speak) in two bansners and one mcmillan. I fixed a Winchester bansner that cracked at the recoil lug, converted a mauser Bansner to blind bottom metal, and hogged out a pristine KS ADL mountain rifle stock for BDL bottom metal (before I had a clue - that stands alone as my Biggest Rifle Regret).

The bansners appear to have lots of epoxy resin and not a great deal of cloth in the skin. The opposite was true of the McMillan.

Not that this has anything to do with the topic at hand. I do know that a ti sits nicely in a 25-oz KS ADL short action stock.

Since sourcing MR barrels and/or complete rifles is a bit of a sketchy game (to me, anyway), I'd send a ratty blued 700 LA to IT&D for a new SS MR contoured douglas in 270 or 30-06 or 308, put it in a TI takeoff or KS or edge (depending on luck and budget) and do your best to convince him that this agglomeration of parts is better than any factory hunting rifle.

"Head and Shoulders above anything"... that's ridiculous. Because you say so?

You have nothing to back that up, apart from "I went to composites school!" Laughable.

You is a gradgiate, yet you compare a Hand-Laid Monocoupe stock (Kimber) to a Chopped Glass Stock (B&C). You're not an expert, you're an idiot. You know as much about stocks as you do about hunting Montana or what I do for a living... which is to say next to nothing.

Truth of the matter is it doesn't matter if the stock was made in Costa Rica... quality is quality. Laying up fiberglass is a relatively easy, though time consuming thing to do.

If the Kimber was made in the USA its price would be right there with McMillan ($550+), which would put the Kimber rifle well out of its $1100 price range.

Though I have no way to prove it, I'm of the opinion because the Edge filled stocks are so stiff, they transmit recoil more than a slightly more flexible stock like the Bansner or Kimber (I actually rate the build quality of the Kimber above the Bansner).

That's the compromise of making an overly stiff stock.

Yeah, I've had B&C, Bansner, Kimber and McMillan Edge stocks. And yeah I have hunted them all, as well as built around them. The McMillan Edge stocks are very good stuff. But not "head and shoulders" above everything else. Being a composites expert you should know all builds bring a set of compromises weighted one way or another.

Here ya go... here's the cross section of a Kimber stock... look like "chopped glass" to you Mr. Composites Expert?

Brad,

The reality is that despite your claims that I'm an idiot, I've been educated in composites beyond what your internet searching can teach you. BTW, what prompted you to cut the stock on the Kimber? Please don't tell me you took the picture off the internet...

The Kimber Montana is a very good $800 production rifle, and can be used fine all over NA in a variety of hunting situations. I'm glad Kimber outsourced it's stocks to Costa Rica too, to help keep costs down so you can afford to have 11 or 13 of them in your safe. But, as far as the stocks go, they can't, won't, and never will hang with the McM Edge or the McM Swirly. The McM Edge is head and shoulders above any stock I've seen on a production rifle.

Mountain hunts:

Chopped Glass:


Slightly better, but not by much:


Head and Shoulders above the rest:

Brad, why do you wanna pick on Calvin man? I think I'll go out to my shop now and bandsaw my B&C stock into little pieces.

I am not nearly refined in the way of stocks as either of you. I like the MCM in my model 7, the B&c on my browning ti, and whatever came on my Kimber. But not nearly astute enough to say one is WAY better than the other. I guess it's a bit of a blessing really that keeps more coin in my pocket.

What makes one way better than the other for either of you? Educate us less in the know.

The way I see it's a lot of SG (aka stock gack), all of them will do well and then some. I'm talking Ti take offs McMillans and the stock that comes on the Montana.

Find one that fits the way you like and go forth and fill some arks...grin

Dober

WTF Dude?

Can't disagree without calling the guy an idiot?

I think everyone knows the idiot here now....

Well, in Brads' defense Calvin has uttered an uncharitable thing or two about Brad, but he's minding his manners in this thread and I wish Brad would as well. I've been known to get belligerent in a thread or two on the Fire myself but I do really try to behave in this forum 'cause there are some really great guys here that I look up to.