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I find it hard to believe that mankind has no impact on the environment. That being said, to what degree we have an impact is the 64,000 question.

My personal opinion is that no one knows yet. It will take many years of researching weather patterns to accurately estimate the impact that co2 may or may not have on the environment.


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i, too enjoy the back and forth between the two polarities. and it's different on every website. and that's fine.

my laymen's view is that it's a combination of factors involving changes on the Sun, the Earth cycles, and yes, to a degree us humans. to think all the cars and industrial production doesn't have an effect, along with all the forest clearing, and paving of roads, and concentrating energy consumption in the mega-cities just boggles my mind.

we understand too little, and it may already be too late, but noone really knows for sure.

what is concerning is that elements in the leftist political movement is attempting to tie global warming to our capitalist political system of gov't. that is, can free markets be allowed to exist given global warming? btw, please don't call me a leftist. i'm just someone who is aware of their message.


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Kique,

Take a look at the views of the Viscount Monckton. He was recently at Union College in Schenectady, NY. Very smart guy with excellent points...jim


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Originally Posted by KCBighorn
I find it hard to believe that mankind has no impact on the environment. That being said, to what degree we have an impact is the 64,000 question.

My personal opinion is that no one knows yet. It will take many years of researching weather patterns to accurately estimate the impact that co2 may or may not have on the environment.

Of course man has had an impact. Without man, the Great Plains would be millions of square miles of grassland, good only for grazing. Instead, they're among the world's greatest producers of food.
Here in so. Idaho, it used to be all sagebrush high desert. Now it grows millions of acres of all kinds of foodstuffs.
Water that used to just flow to the oceans to continue a never ending water cycle now irrigates millions of square miles to produce food for billions.

Is this all bad? According to the radical environmentalists, yes.


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I know it's superficial, but I have the damndest time giving credibility to somebody named Viscount Monckton. Might as well be named "Bubbles"...


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The Washington Post:



The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen , Norway ..

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

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I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 89 years ago


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You guys are amazing. So much information and so much research in less than a day. I gotta give you all a big Thanks!!!
This thread was cited in my reference page, so any information the professor wants to see that we say on this topic can be seen and so my report is supported by what was said.
Te report is not the best I have done and I wish I had the ability to write more words on it, but fact is I was limited. however with the various views on here and the links to support the discussion. The credibility of citing this thread for reference is strong.
Luckily I have done my papers and discussions in this course from my right wing stance. It adds to the discussion and the professor seems open minded to different views which I enjoyed.
Anyways thanks to all that contributed and thanks for all the valuable information provided.

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With hundreds of thousands of dollars in weather equipment at your local TV weather department, you can see how accurate they are - 72 hours out!!! How in the hell can they make any real judgment on stuff years and decades away?
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