Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Nosler: The PERPETUAL Goat Phuck

The whole point was/is nosler should know better. They make bullets and are selling rifles. They could sell or atleast offer 223 and 22-250 with 1-8" twist. Maybe some don't understand this but a 8 twist will shoot 50's fast and straight and do very nice things with longer higher bc pills. 12's and 14's will shoot the lighter ones but not the longer ones. It's a win win with a 8 twist. Now the fella at the local "gun shop" won't know this but you'd expect nosler to. Be kinda like Easton building bows that won't shoot their best arrows.

No real dog in this fight, but I haven't had issues with 1-9" up to 69 SMK's. The 1-8" or 1-7" I don't think play to well with sub 52 grain varmint bullets. I'm also hazarding a guess that sub 52 grain varmint bullets out sell the 70+ grain target bullets.

My 1 in 8" 223 AI and 22-6mm both shoot 40 grain Ballistic Tips quite well. No reason to go with the slow twist. This isn't 1920. Modern bullets stay together when twisted to high RPM.

Although the Nosler's may be idiots according to so many on here, I would rather be a trust fund recipient from Bob Noslers estate than a trust fund recipient of anyone on here.

and that had what to do with...?

It's my new mantra.

While on the topic, what if any 'downside' is there to a faster twist? I've read that an extremely fast twist could potentially 'break up' lightly constructed (i.e. probably varmint) bullets. But I've not really seen anything very definite about that aspect. One often sees minimum recommended / required twist rates for particular bullets, however, is there a corresponding maximum at the other end of the scale?

I'd have to agree, Nosler is so stupid they cater to 99% of the shooting community rather the 1% that's looking for an extreme that most all there customers aren't even looking for. I bet they cry all the way to the bank to cash that big fat check.

Yeah, I didn't think those dots were that hard to connect...

Dem was some purdy hard dots. Lol

Shod

Lots of very successful companies have made some pretty stupid moves over the years.

Ford Edsel
New Coke
Pontiac Aztek
Mercedes Benz/Chrysler

The list of dots goes on.

Hrmm, maybe I should try some 120 VMAX's in my 1-8.75" 7x57. So far the only thing I have tried that light in it is the Barnes TTSX. They shot pretty good running them slow, but I never did pursue it. I didn't think I would be able to hold a more lightly constructed bullet together, and Barnes are kinda expensive for target practice.

Imagine if they gave something to that 1%, without even hurting the other 99%, or their profit margin.

Sorry if the dots aren't obvious enough for you.

You will be fine.

They would have to be really thin jackets to come unglued. Think the SX style bullets from Hornady. But anything modern like the 40gr Ballistic Tips or V-Maxes will hold together.


Travis

40 gr. BT's and Vmax's work great in my 1-8 Plastikka, pushed HARD.

So do 70 gr. VLD's.

But then again, it's only a $300 rifle as opposed to $3000.

There is no downside to the fast twists. You seem to be missing that very big "dot".

Another "dot" that seems to be missed by some, is that the OP is stating that if you were to buy a Nosler rifle in .223, or 22-250, you would need to have them re-tubed with an after market barrel in order to shoot the range of Nosler bullets in .224 caliber.

It's called irony.


Travis

Another one of those ridiculous dots.

Same here. Actually the ONLY bullets I've had come unglued were the SX bullets I'd mentioned.



Travis

Sierra makes a 240 grain Matchking. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to produce 308's with an eight inch twist to handle them. Likewise, it is perfectly fine for a company to build rifles to SAAMI specs (like a twelve twist223 or a ten twist 243)if they wish to do so. After all, these twist rates will work fine with any factory ammunition of which I'm aware. If somebody wishes to run 80 grain bullets (or boolits as some may insist on calling them)through a 223, he can simply not buy a rifle from most manufacturers or he can buy one and rebarrel. I don't see the problem.
I have a 22-250 with an eight twist. While I'm pleased enough with it, I see no reason to expect any manufacturer to offer the same thing. Again, a fourteen twist will handle any factory ammunition which is available. GD