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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'm glad to be enlightened. Apparently, I've been misled.

Thanks!


Glad you didn't take it as an argument like many would. Just trying to keep folks informed.

I grew up working at a funeral home. My dad was/is a funeral director..

Carry on. wink


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Originally Posted by Avery
yup cremation is cheaper but not environment friendly....you can use body liquefaction .....better way of memorial urns ....


Avery you wouldn't have anything to do with this web site would you?

Looking to sell urns?

Brought this thread right back to the top did you.




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Originally Posted by willhunt4
Cremate me and load me in to 12ga shells. I want to go out with a BANG!


We did exactly that to/for a friend to fulfill his last request after he died.


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Cremation lets me warm up to hell before I get there! ;o)

Although cremating fat people is a whole lot better than having to carry them!

Make mine a fire.

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Cremation is kinda cool, when my grandpa was cremated I asked my mom if I could have the numbered toe tag to put on my key chain to always remember him by. She didn't have a problem with that but it creeped my aunt out and she told me no way.

Who gives a damn where your body is when you are dead?

As was spoken, it's about how much money is spent, the whole funeral parlor thing is a racket.


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Doesnt bother me a bit, they can use any good parts left, smoke the rest and put me in an empty black powder can over the fireplace wink

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It's against my religous beliefs, but perhaps due to my Nordic ansestry I wouldn't be averse to a viking funeral.

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Gramps worked at a funeral home for over 40 years. Bought the whole thing hook line and sinker.. best casket, concreted in a concrete box, granite top etc... all a friggin waste of money.

Once you are dead, thats what you are. You will turn to dust one way or another. Paying to take the long way around won't change that one bit.

Wife and I have discussed it and I'm still not sold totally but its in our notes... and nephew has heard me say I want to be the first shot fired opening duck season every year....He'd miss even if he had shot in there so its a no brainer... and dump me on tops of mountains, in elk and moose hideaways and so on...


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I want to be used for rude practical jokes by first year med students and then mulched into large recognizable chips and used for erosion control.

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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
THE CREMATION OF SAM McGEE


There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.

Now Sam McGee was from Tennessee, where the cotton blooms and blows.
Why he left his home in the South to roam 'round the Pole, God only knows.
He was always cold, but the land of gold seemed to hold him like a spell;
Though he'd often say in his homely way that he'd �sooner live in hell.�

On a Christmas Day we were mushing our way over the Dawson Trail.
Talk of your cold! through the parka's fold it stabbed like a frozen nail.
If our eyes we'd close, then the lashes froze till sometimes we couldn't see;
It wasn't much fun, but the only one to whimper was Sam McGee.

And that very night, as we lay packed tight in our robes beneath the snow,
And the dogs were fed, and the stars o'erhead were dancing heel and toe,
He turned to me, and �Cap,� says he, �I'll cash in this trip, I guess;
If I do, I'm asking that you won't refuse my last request.�

Well, he seemed so low that I couldn't say no; then he says with a sort of moan:
�It's the cursed cold, and it's got right hold till I'm chilled clean through to the bone.
Yet 'tain't being dead - - it's my awful dread of the icy grave that pains;
So I want you to swear that, foul or fair, you'll cremate my last remains.�

A pal's last need is a thing to heed, so I swore I would not fail;
And we started on at the streak of dawn; but God! he looked ghastly pale.
He crouched on the sleigh, and he raved all day of his home in Tennessee;
And before nightfall a corpse was all that was left of Sam McGee.

There wasn't a breath in that land of death, and I hurried, horror-driven,
With a corpse half-hid that I couldn't get rid, because of a promise given;
It was lashed to the sleigh, and it seemed to say: �You must tax your brawn and brains,
But you promised true, and it's up to you to cremate these last remains.�

Now a promise made is a debt unpaid, and the trail has its own stern code.
In the days to come, though my lips were dumb, in my heart how I cursed that load.
In the long, long night, by the lone firelight, while the huskies, round in a ring,
Howled out their woes to the homeless snows - - O God! how I loathed the thing.

And every day that quiet clay seemed to heavier and heavier grow;
And on I went, though the dogs were spent and the grub was getting low;
The trail was bad, and I felt half mad, but I swore I would not give in;
And I'd often sing to the hateful thing, and it hearkened with a grin.

Till I came to the marge of Lake Lebarge, and there a derelict lay;
It was jammed in the ice, but I saw in a trice it was called the �Alice May.�
And I looked at it, and I thought a bit, and I looked at my frozen chum;
Then �Here,� said I, with a sudden cry, �is my cre-ma-tor-eum.�

Some planks I tore from the cabin floor, and I lit the boiler fire;
Some coal I found that was lying around, and I heaped the fuel higher;
The flames just soared, and the furnace roared - - such a blaze you seldom see;
And I burrowed a hole in the glowing coal, and I stuffed in Sam McGee.

Then I made a hike, for I didn't like to hear him sizzle so;
And the heavens scowled, and the huskies howled, and the wind began to blow.
I was icy cold, but the hot sweat rolled down my cheeks, and I don't know why;
And the greasy smoke in an inky cloak went streaking down the sky.

I do not know how long in the snow I wrestled with grisly fear;
But the stars came out and they danced about ere again I ventured near;
I was sick with dread, but I bravely said, �I'll just take a peep inside.
I guess he's cooked, and it's time I looked;� ... then the door I opened wide.

And there sat Sam, looking cool and calm, in the heart of the furnace roar;
And he wore a smile you could see a mile, and he said: �Please close that door.
It's fine in here, but I greatly fear you'll let in the cold and storm - -
Since I left Plumtree, down in Tennessee, it's the first time I've been warm.�

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.


My mom had an old Robert Service book, that was one of my favorites as a kid, I used to read it to people.

There was another one I liked too and I can't remember the name of it, I think it had a Dan McGrew or something like that in it.

He expressed a hard life and hard times in Alaska.


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Originally Posted by ScoutmasterRick
Originally Posted by burner
Thanks for those quotes. That is interesting.

When the dead are raised, though, do they just spring up from where they were left? Will people just appear? For example, those lost at sea, or vaporized during wartime, etc., etc.

Interesting.


Some other passages that may help:

From 1 Thess. 4. Note especially verse 14:

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For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. (1 Thessalonians 4:14)

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. (1 Thessalonians 4:15)

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

Therefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)


I can tell you what I picture in my mind based on the passages I have studied. The dead are already in the spiritual realm (see the parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16). At the resurrection we know that the dead will be raised first. Will the spirit have to return to the location of its former body? I don't believe so. Since we will be given a spiritual body in the resurrection it would server no purpose. The dead will be given their spiritual bodies and will appear in the heavens with the Lord when He returns on the last day.


right on track .


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Service worked in a Bank here for a couple of years, rumour is that he slept on top of the vault with a shotgun a few times. The Bank building is still there though no longer a Bank, its a pub named the Bard and Banker, of course referring to Service.

Robert W. Service
The reason of the popularity of this poetry may be summed up almost in a word�it pictures human life. For, after all, nature worship or classic lore, ethics or abstruse philosophy, grow stale and flat when used continually as the basis of literary emotions, but every human being, who has not become a conventionalized fossil, always will be moved by the passions and moods of the surging, restless, primitive, even animal spirit of humanity that permeates Service's poems. . . . These poems must not be regarded as typically Canadian�they crystallize a phase of Canadian life, but it is a phase which has become Canadian by accident of circumstances. . . . . The rhythm of the poems has an irresistible sweep; no training in the technique of versification is necessary to catch the movement�it carries one away; and the plain, forcible language grips the attention and holds it, while short, vivid, insistent epithets hammer themselves deeply into one's mind.�DONALD G. FRENCH, in the 'Globe Magazine.'


Originally Posted by 243WSSM
Originally Posted by Ken Howell
THE CREMATION OF SAM McGEE


There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.

Now Sam McGee was from Tennessee, where the cotton blooms and blows.
Why he left his home in the South to roam 'round the Pole, God only knows.
He was always cold, but the land of gold seemed to hold him like a spell;
Though he'd often say in his homely way that he'd �sooner live in hell.�

On a Christmas Day we were mushing our way over the Dawson Trail.
Talk of your cold! through the parka's fold it stabbed like a frozen nail.
If our eyes we'd close, then the lashes froze till sometimes we couldn't see;
It wasn't much fun, but the only one to whimper was Sam McGee.

And that very night, as we lay packed tight in our robes beneath the snow,
And the dogs were fed, and the stars o'erhead were dancing heel and toe,
He turned to me, and �Cap,� says he, �I'll cash in this trip, I guess;
If I do, I'm asking that you won't refuse my last request.�

Well, he seemed so low that I couldn't say no; then he says with a sort of moan:
�It's the cursed cold, and it's got right hold till I'm chilled clean through to the bone.
Yet 'tain't being dead - - it's my awful dread of the icy grave that pains;
So I want you to swear that, foul or fair, you'll cremate my last remains.�

A pal's last need is a thing to heed, so I swore I would not fail;
And we started on at the streak of dawn; but God! he looked ghastly pale.
He crouched on the sleigh, and he raved all day of his home in Tennessee;
And before nightfall a corpse was all that was left of Sam McGee.

There wasn't a breath in that land of death, and I hurried, horror-driven,
With a corpse half-hid that I couldn't get rid, because of a promise given;
It was lashed to the sleigh, and it seemed to say: �You must tax your brawn and brains,
But you promised true, and it's up to you to cremate these last remains.�

Now a promise made is a debt unpaid, and the trail has its own stern code.
In the days to come, though my lips were dumb, in my heart how I cursed that load.
In the long, long night, by the lone firelight, while the huskies, round in a ring,
Howled out their woes to the homeless snows - - O God! how I loathed the thing.

And every day that quiet clay seemed to heavier and heavier grow;
And on I went, though the dogs were spent and the grub was getting low;
The trail was bad, and I felt half mad, but I swore I would not give in;
And I'd often sing to the hateful thing, and it hearkened with a grin.

Till I came to the marge of Lake Lebarge, and there a derelict lay;
It was jammed in the ice, but I saw in a trice it was called the �Alice May.�
And I looked at it, and I thought a bit, and I looked at my frozen chum;
Then �Here,� said I, with a sudden cry, �is my cre-ma-tor-eum.�

Some planks I tore from the cabin floor, and I lit the boiler fire;
Some coal I found that was lying around, and I heaped the fuel higher;
The flames just soared, and the furnace roared - - such a blaze you seldom see;
And I burrowed a hole in the glowing coal, and I stuffed in Sam McGee.

Then I made a hike, for I didn't like to hear him sizzle so;
And the heavens scowled, and the huskies howled, and the wind began to blow.
I was icy cold, but the hot sweat rolled down my cheeks, and I don't know why;
And the greasy smoke in an inky cloak went streaking down the sky.

I do not know how long in the snow I wrestled with grisly fear;
But the stars came out and they danced about ere again I ventured near;
I was sick with dread, but I bravely said, �I'll just take a peep inside.
I guess he's cooked, and it's time I looked;� ... then the door I opened wide.

And there sat Sam, looking cool and calm, in the heart of the furnace roar;
And he wore a smile you could see a mile, and he said: �Please close that door.
It's fine in here, but I greatly fear you'll let in the cold and storm - -
Since I left Plumtree, down in Tennessee, it's the first time I've been warm.�

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.


My mom had an old Robert Service book, that was one of my favorites as a kid, I used to read it to people.

There was another one I liked too and I can't remember the name of it, I think it had a Dan McGrew or something like that in it.

He expressed a hard life and hard times in Alaska.

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Originally Posted by Jayhawker
I prefer the idea of cremation. Actually, I'd love to have a Viking funeral ship and be set adrift with the appropriate rituals, but I don't think the Coast Guard would agree with that.

Rather have them burn my bones than have them dug up in the far distant future.


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There are weirder things out there....

Consider this...



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Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
Don't want to be burned or buried just prop me up against a tree in the woods and let nature take it's course


My wife told me it would be her preference to have me put her on a rock on top of a hill and let the vultures and animals do their thing, now that would creep me out.


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