Home Forums Hunting & Shooting BPCR 45-70 vs 45-90, -100, -110, ets

There's the difference, in the handguns the magnums were intentionally made only 1/10 inch longer. There's almost 1/2 inch difference just between the 45-70 and the 90, theres nearly an inch difference between the 110 and the 70. So a bullet fired from the 90 or 110 chamber has to expand to .480 or over and then gets slammed back down to .458. It will work for a few rounds but then the chamber fouls up with both powder and lead and the accuracy that doesn't amount to much in the first place really goes to pot.

The bullet isn't going to expand at all over smokeless.

Woody, get the padded cell ready, put a Little Lord Fauntleroy Hat in with the stuffed animals,........

Don, go get some Thorazine,........

I'll go and see if we have a straight jacket that will fit this idiot.

GTC

Another thread polluted by the resident POS. Swampshit, don't you get tired of your breath smelling like crap by constantly and intentionally talking out of your ass? (rhetorical question).

Damn hope he's not recommending this BS to others.He seems to think smokeless is his salvation but down the road it may just upset his apple cart.

Swampy needs to go read the Shilo forum and some of the replies about shooting the 70 in longer chambers.. of course these guys are shooting way over priced rifles and don't know what they're talking about..

You're too smart to really believe that. You're just being a chit disturber.

Few thoudandths??

2.1 vs 2.4 inches. That is 3 tenths of an inch or 300 thousandths.

I wish Rick would ban him, this idiot is going to get someone either killed or severely hurt if he keeps up this sort of ridiculous advice.

Hey Swampie, one of the FIRST rules of safe shooting everyone should learn is ALWAYS USE THE CORRECT AMMUNITION IN YOUR FIREARM.

There are a very few exceptions to the rule but unless a firearm manufacturer states it's safe to do so you should NEVER use anything but the correct ammunition in any firearm.

I owned and used 45-70's for 20+ years and I don't believe a person really needs any more than that. However, I no longer own one and have used a 45-90 for close to 20 years. My preference is for the 45-90 for hunting. I don't know that it's any more effective in reality but I like it better. Mine has always been easy to load for. I also own a 45-100 but rarely use it. The one I own is in a Cody Rifle Works Ballard with a Badger barrel and it was a real bear to find a suitable load for. Even now the load I use is not as accurate as the 45-90 or my 40-70SS. My 40-70SS is my target rifle If it's your first rifle, get the 45-70 and learn from it.

Are the longer cases worth it? Well, I think at least the 45-90 is. Your velocity gains won't be all that great. If a person was hunting the largest North American game then I do believe the 45-100 would be worth the cost and effort to work up a really good load. The velocity gain still isn't significant, IMO, but it's enough to be worth the effort.

I've worked with a lot of BPCR cartridges and rifles over the years and if it were me I believe I would take the path a few others on this board have and try a 44-77 or a 44-90. They just look so cool and as ET and others have proven they can be made accurate and are certainly powerful.....and not every mothers son has one!!!

Comparative pic. L to R 44/90.45/110 and the good old 30/06


Tough to see but the case body of the 44/90 is larger than the big 45. .515 at the base next to the rim,tapering to .505 at the shoulder. The round was made before fireforming. The shoulder is actually more of a radius than an angle/

Reading in Seller's Sharps book , that the 44-77 with it's 420 gr bullet was reported as shooting thru 2 and more buffalo and killing them at 500 yds. That's a single round doing that, the 40-90 bn was also really popular.
I'm easily droppin 80 grs of 1.5 kik in the 77 case, and can get 85 grs. and still be able to compress it without bulging anything.....
I really think folks are missing the boat by following the old wives tales about how the bottlenecks won't shoot...

Thanks guys for the back on track..this can be a very interesting and informative thread without the occasional intrusion of "swamp knowledge"

More comparatives. L to R,45/110,45/90 and 45/70

Looks like I'll need some paper-patching lessons :-)

Jeez, E.T.! There you go again, leading someone else over to the paper-patched Dark Side!

Biebs, watch yourself, E.T. has a habit of indoctrination that will have you spending your grandkids' inheritance on those EVIL BPCR's!

Ed

Yes, I'm already planning on my 2nd and 3rd, and I haven't even got the first one yet? He is truly "evil".

This is like inner-city gang recruitment...do I join the "Greasers-Groovers" or the "Paper-Patchers" ? :-)

I'll 2nd, or 3rd, whichever is correct, Ranch13's comment on bottleneck cases. I've worked with 2, the 43 Mauser and the 577/450 Martini. I was able to achieve more than adequate accuracy with both. The 43 was in a double rifle with washy rifling and I was able to obtain 3-4 inches combined group at 50 yards. Individually they would print around 2 inches at 50. With the Martini I was able to obtain 3-4 inches at 100 yards. I was more than satisfied with both rifles given their age, bore condition and sights...and my eyes.

I use both, but admit the greasers are much easier to load and shoot.

Relax, both "Gangs" work for the same Cartel,.....E.T. being one of the "Dons" thereof.A high level of "esprit" and notable comeradarie seems to currently exist 'tween the greasers and the patchers.

You start running with the degenerate "Smokeless Muckers" you will be in Deep kimchee,and your intelligence will be called into question.

GTC