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jimmyp,
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Thanks, just asked Rick the same thing. Would not have done it without interthem's PM that I posted above.
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adios Jimmie boy, you and EH are now joined.
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We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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This has been very informative. That is why I posed the question. I prefer informed decision making over impulse buys which, I have been known to do. I have always been interested in a better mouse trap but have come to learn that mouse traps are certainly not discriminate on whom they drop the break-neck spring.
This may come as a surprise to some but I am most interested in the 458 SOCOM. I came within a gnats whisker of purchasing one two weeks ago but was concerned I may have been buying someone elses problems.
I appreciate all the input.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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adios Jimmie boy, you and EH are now joined. Will you please limit your input to the subject matter ONLY? If you're looking to fight with someone, go to their house, face them man to man & duke it out.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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good for killing people and questionable (compared to alternatives) as a hunting rifle.
4.5 pound 223 with lexan magazine, w/o scope, light & laser. Shoots minute of raghead out to 300. That's all it is for. Hey mall ninja! good google fu pics! Bold statement...where is your proof? Oh I see just your inane BS again.... I guess Brownells is selling that special kit to clean piston ARs (including the tube) just because all their customers are fools. Only one fool here.....YOU! Hmmmm...you don't think... No, not possible .... ...no way ... Intertherm actually is the notorious Mall Ninja?
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If you are looking at the 458 SOCOM, you obviously have a purpose in mind for the rifle.
I do not own one of those, so I can't say one way or the other, but if it suits your needs, go for it. I suspect you reload, right?
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This has been very informative. That is why I posed the question. I prefer informed decision making over impulse buys which, I have been known to do. I have always been interested in a better mouse trap but have come to learn that mouse traps are certainly not discriminate on whom they drop the break-neck spring.
This may come as a surprise to some but I am most interested in the 458 SOCOM. I came within a gnats whisker of purchasing one two weeks ago but was concerned I may have been buying someone elses problems.
I appreciate all the input. I would like to shoot one of those. Ought to be a fun one!
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adios Jimmie boy, you and EH are now joined. Isn't that just special....I'll bet he is worried about it..........NOT!
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458 socom is a great round I have the 50 beowulf, and from teh standpoint of bullet choice and can ability, I wished I had the socom instead.
Generally speaking unless a chamber is mangled IE not reamed concentric etc.... any function problem on an AR is usually a matter of some research and generally a fairly inexpensive fix.
Jeff
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I think Stoner pretty well knew what he was doing, when he went to DI. You obviously avoid the piston rattling next to the barrel.
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If you are looking at the 458 SOCOM, you obviously have a purpose in mind for the rifle.
I do not own one of those, so I can't say one way or the other, but if it suits your needs, go for it. I suspect you reload, right? I do reload, yes sir. I love all things 45.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Then I think you may have all the answers you were looking for. I look forward to your first range report.
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I once read an article on the problems that early M-16's had in Vietnam. It seems the problem mostly where failure to remove a spent case from the chamber and this was mostly caused by a change in powder at the last minute without timing the DI gas system to match. It seam the gas system was moving the bolt back when the case was still under pressure and being forced against the walls of the chamber, thus jamming the gun. In other words the problems in Nam were not a inherent flaw in the design, but rather caused by a last minute change in ammo that required a change in gas system timing, which was never done.
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Yes, folks always remember the bad vs the good.
The AR is fine platform as is.
BUT you always have to come up wiht some BS crap to make more money... cough silencer etc... The piston in the AR is the same .... ain't nuttin wrong with what we have as is.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Ok, so I have decided to purchase the RRA 458 SOCOM upper which comes with the mid length hand guard: http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=424Not buying a lower at this time. Should I simply purchase RRA's entry level model and scout my own personal preferences as far as accessories? Going into it I know I want the front vertical grip attachment so I will need the right hand guard. Having done very little study on accessories, is there better stuff?
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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you can always find "better"
The real question is do you need better and can afford better?
Its much like vehicles sometimes IMHO. What does a Benz do that a Chevy doesn't? But if you want the Benz....
But beyond that, for me there has to be a need.
I suspect for what you are aftger, you'll find a 1-1.5 moa gun at worst that will function fine. Then its what you want to add on beyond that.
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There are so many different accessories available for AR-15's it's nuts. Some of the stuff is of better quality than others some of it costs more but isn't. A lot of it boils down to personal preference.
I like Geissele triggers, Magpul Miad Grips, Angled ForGrips and Rail Covers, Surefire 952V-TN lights, and Larue Optics Mounts. But that's just personal preference there's 30 other choices to do the same job. If you are set on a Vertical forgrip the little Larue FUG is one of the nicest.
Good luck dressing it out. You'll probably end up changing stuff around later anyway. AR-15s are Adult Lego's...............dj
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Personally I hate that operator handguard and it looks to take a special wrench to remove. It's too big, too heavy and just plain ugly. I could not find the right place to "drive" the gun. See if they'd build you one with a Troy TRX Extreme rail and a low profile gas block.
Lot's of choices out there and if you're set on a vertical grip, look at Tango Down. I prefer the stubby grips but I use it mostly for a hand stop which is another option...
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