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#6533655 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: T_O_M]  
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#6534499 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: herschel34]  
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#6534610 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: efw]  
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Guess I must be the outlier on the 257Roberts bell curve. I have worked with 5 different 257's (still have 3).

I tried the "magic" load of 100gr Hornady's with 4350 in all of them without success. And subsequently found happiness with other loads in each of the rifles. go figure.

I have one more chance,though. A M70 FWT is on order, and I will try the "magic" load first...

#6535220 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: southtexas]  
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You're required to buy .257s until you find a rifle that will shoot that load. smile


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#6535640 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: T_O_M]  
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I just returned from my gun dealer where I was reassured that a .257 Roberts Featherweight with my name on it was on its way to the store. With any luck, it should be in stock next week. After I pick it up I'll have it bedded and a Leupold Vari-X II atop it.

I have a 1951 NRA reloading book that lists .257 Roberts loads. It's amazing how much higher velocities were attainable back in the day.

I have had good luck with IMR 4350. I am going to experiment with 115 Ballistic Tips and 117 Sierras.

I have had six shoulder surgeries, so I am hoping to make this my primary and maybe only big game rifle. With the right bullet and correct shot placement, it will fell elk as cleanly as any other cartridge that is capable of destroying its heart.

The .257 Roberts vs the .25-06 Remington is similar to the .308 Win vs the 30-06. Less than 100 FPS is not going to make a difference in felling big game. And I'd rather have a 22" .257 Roberts than a 24" .25-06. I'd rather have a short action 22" .308 Win than a long action .30-06. But that's just me.


R


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#6535871 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Raisuli]  
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Anyone use Accubonds in his .257 Roberts? If so, results?

#6536002 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: southtexas]  
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southtexas,

Just wondering: Do you check the bullet runout on your handloads?


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#6536024 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Mule Deer]  
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In regards to bullet runout; do you ever try to correct it, al la the new Hornady run out gauge/straightener, or just set them aside for plinking?



#6536079 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Raisuli]  
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Originally Posted by Raisuli
Anyone use Accubonds in his .257 Roberts? If so, results?


My 257 like Nosler Red Box 110 Accubonds just fine (5/8th's groups). They were running a buy two get one free last year so I have 3.5 boxes left out of six. I needed the brass anyway. I also bought a box of Federal Premium 120 Partitions. Point of impact was quite a bit different so I didn't pursue it much since I plan on reloading anyway. 10 twist btw.

Richard


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#6536188 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: 007FJ]  
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Have you hunted with Accubonds?

I am planning on trying a box of them with IMR 4350. From what I understand, they should be outstanding on mule deer.

R

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#6536249 - 05/24/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Raisuli]  
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My 18 year old son placed a nice shot on a Whitetail with it last season at 200 yards. I told him he could use anything he wanted since I was in the middle of recoping his 308. The turd took my 257 that has the Leica on it. I shot a hog that went about 150 with it though. I shot my two deer last season with a 338 Federal because he used the 257 that day and my A-Bolt 270 SS Stalker because I was hunting from an old tripod.

I like the 110 Accubonds. I want it to like 100 grain partitions but until the Accubonds in the factory ammo are used up some, I am not touching that rifle.

Richard


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people that text all day get on my nerves

just knowing that people are out there with that ability,....just makes me wanna punch myself in the balls
#6536712 - 05/25/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Mule Deer]  
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
southtexas,

Just wondering: Do you check the bullet runout on your handloads?


MD: Only recently. You, and others here, convinced me that it is a variable that should be considered. But, to answer your question, the 100gr Hornady loads were not checked for runout. When the new 257 arrives, I will do that.

My question would be: If the same reloading equipment (press, dies, etc.) were used, and the same reloading techniques were used...and other bullets/loads shot well, is there a reason to believe that the runout with one bullet would be worse than the runout with another bullet? thanks for the lesson...

#6537315 - 05/25/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: southtexas]  
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Accubonds ... they're new enough only my most recent .257 was tested with them. I wasn't that impressed with the accuracy, the 100 grain ballistic tip, 100 grain partition, and 120 grain partition all shot considerably better. The other bullets shot 3/4 MOA or better, the ABs went 2 MOA or worse. The best accuracy I got with the 110 grain accubond in my gun came with RL22. I would still absolutely try the AB in any other .257 I laid hands on. Failure in one doesn't mean failure in another and those are GOOD bullets for the .257's velocity.

Tom


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#6537459 - 05/25/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: T_O_M]  
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.257 Roberts Fans,

It has been many years since I have shot a rifle because of numerous shoulder surgeries. There's a good chance I'll need two more. It seems I have a genetic predisposition to shoulder injury. As a result I am going to sell my Belgian Browning .338 Win Mag and Marlin Guide Gun because I cannot risk another surgery due to recoil. Hence, my purchasing a .257 Roberts.

It has been a long time since I have hand loaded anything. I anticipate hand loading for my new .257 Roberts. Accuracy is my primary concern. So help me out and provide your expert opinions on the .257 Roberts. Which bullet surrenders the best accuracy? Since I hunt the Rockies where shots can be long, I'd like to go heavy for caliber, say 110 grains and heavier. I like through-and-through wounds. That way if a deer doesn't drop where he stands, a lot of blood on the forest floor makes it easier for my aging eyes to follow.

Finally, are Sierra bullets still of good quality? I used to shoot then out of my .270 Win. I don't think I have ever had to shoot a second at a deer or 'lope.


Thanks so much,

R

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#6537571 - 05/25/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Raisuli]  
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I have had great success with the 120gr Hornady HP.

#6541047 - 05/26/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: southtexas]  
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I checked old .257 Roberts loading notes I have and some hand loads that were loaded according to an old manual, and they would be considered very warm by today's standards; however they shot very well in an old Featherweight that I gave to my nephew many years ago.

#6541089 - 05/26/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: southtexas]  
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southtexas,

Yeah, different bullets can seat considerably straighter in the same dies. I had an early lesson in this. My first .270 Winchester REALLY shot 150-grain Hornady Spire Points, as in 1" groups at 300 yards. I thought, of course, the rifle just "liked" them, but a number of years later, long after that .270 was gone and I'd gotten my first concentricity gauge, I tried a bunch of different bullets in the same seating die. The 150 Hornady Spire point seated MUCH straighter than any other bullet, probably due to the way the nose of the bullet fit the die.

In my experience, seating lighter (shorter) bullets straight is even more important. Heavier bullets with longer shanks tend to straighted out in the throat, or at least that's my guess.


John

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#6541132 - 05/26/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Mule Deer]  
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MD,
How does average modern factory ammo compare to results achieved by handloads, in terms of straight bullet seating?

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#6541154 - 05/26/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Raisuli]  
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I would look really hard at the 115 gr Nosler Partition.It can be driven fairly fast,penetrates well,and IME is an accurate bullet.

Seems to stabilize well in the typical 10 twist Roberts,which can be a bit of an issue,sometimes in some barrels with the 120 gr...at least I have only gotten fair accuracy with them.

I have mostly used the 100 gr to hunt myself,but some of my friends have used the 115 on deer, antelope and black bear with good results.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
#6541677 - 05/26/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: BobinNH]  
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BobinNH,

Thanks. I will give 115 grain Paritions a try.

What power do you use? I have been using IMR 4350.


Thanks,

R

#6541871 - 05/26/12 Re: Petload: 257 Roberts? [Re: Mule Deer]  
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
southtexas,

Yeah, different bullets can seat considerably straighter in the same dies. I had an early lesson in this. My first .270 Winchester REALLY shot 150-grain Hornady Spire Points, as in 1" groups at 300 yards. I thought, of course, the rifle just "liked" them, but a number of years later, long after that .270 was gone and I'd gotten my first concentricity gauge, I tried a bunch of different bullets in the same seating die. The 150 Hornady Spire point seated MUCH straighter than any other bullet, probably due to the way the nose of the bullet fit the die.

In my experience, seating lighter (shorter) bullets straight is even more important. Heavier bullets with longer shanks tend to straighted out in the throat, or at least that's my guess.


that sounds logical, thanks. I will do a little experimenting myself.

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