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#6533028 - 05/23/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: LeonHitchcox]  
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This is one of my Savage 10ML-II's, this one likes 44gr 5744 behind a 325gr FTX and a MMP Orange sabot.
I taken one deer at 247yds with the rifle laying over my pack as a rest and 2 of them a 200yds from a treestand offhand.
These things will shoot if you can.

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Here's a new one of mine that's haveing a stock fitted to it right now.
Savage 10ML-II action w/ Fluted 25" 45cal 1:22 Pac-Nor barrel
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#6534985 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: rick59]  
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I didn't know that savage made a 45 cal or did you have it special made?

#6535439 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]  
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Seems like the majority of smokeless gun nuts rebarrel to .45 cal.

#6535620 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]  
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Originally Posted by The_Mason
I didn't know that savage made a 45 cal or did you have it special made?


That's one of the aftermarket barrels I was telling you about.

#6535623 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: LeonHitchcox]  
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Originally Posted by LeonHitchcox
A friend of mine makes up smokeless muzzleloaders by taking Remington muzzleloaders and rebarreling with McGowan barrels and aftermarket stocks. His cost is $1200 to $1400. Last time I talked to him he was finishing up a dozen. He also uses a three piece collapsible ramrod.


Bill does great work! The ramrod he supplies actually comes from me. He's my best customer. laugh

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#6535641 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]  
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How can I get one of the 45 barrels to put on a savage

#6535657 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]  
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#6535678 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]  
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Will this barrel fit the remington 700 ml or will it have to be a different barrel

#6536176 - 05/24/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]  
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Originally Posted by The_Mason
Will this barrel fit the remington 700 ml or will it have to be a different barrel


You need a different barrel.

Here's a cost breakdown on the 700ML conversion. This is for a Pac-Nor barrel. Knock off about $120 if you go with a McGowen barrel instead.

http://smokelessmz.com/700ml.html

#6536545 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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It's a proven fact that Toby blew the gun up on purpose because he was mad at Savage. It was rebarreled and is still shooting today. The Savage is the best muzzleloader still in production.


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#6536672 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]  
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Originally Posted by lwh723
Originally Posted by LeonHitchcox
A friend of mine makes up smokeless muzzleloaders by taking Remington muzzleloaders and rebarreling with McGowan barrels and aftermarket stocks. His cost is $1200 to $1400. Last time I talked to him he was finishing up a dozen. He also uses a three piece collapsible ramrod.


Bill does great work! The ramrod he supplies actually comes from me. He's my best customer. laugh


Bill doesn't hang out here, so I didn't expect you to know him. Did he build yours? The last time I was over at his place he had some beauties. And he had some really nice targets that he had shot too.

#6536677 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: The_Mason]  
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Originally Posted by The_Mason
Will this barrel fit the remington 700 ml or will it have to be a different barrel


Bill has the barrels threaded to fit the Remington action and has the interior of the barrel threaded for a Savage breech plug.

#6536685 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: lwh723]  
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Originally Posted by lwh723
Originally Posted by LeonHitchcox
A friend of mine makes up smokeless muzzleloaders by taking Remington muzzleloaders and rebarreling with McGowan barrels and aftermarket stocks. His cost is $1200 to $1400. Last time I talked to him he was finishing up a dozen. He also uses a three piece collapsible ramrod.


Bill does great work! The ramrod he supplies actually comes from me. He's my best customer. laugh


I missed this post the first time through. Small world isn't it with my neighbor being a customer of a Campfire member. I thought that collapsible ramrod looked like what Bill was using.

#6536727 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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savage ml. 42 gr 4759 followed by parker 275 hydro

#6537045 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: dcd]  
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If i'm not mistaken. The gun is based on the Savage 10. Does it have the same balance?

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#6537271 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Swampman700]  
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Originally Posted by Swampman700
It's a proven fact that Toby blew the gun up on purpose because he was mad at Savage. It was rebarreled and is still shooting today. The Savage is the best muzzleloader still in production.


This is indeed a fact. Also, back to the original question, these are flat out the best ML on the market. I have 2, both will shoot sub inch 3 shot groups at 100 yards. The sabot is a major factor, I use MMP, a Hornady 300 grain XTP, 65 grains of Reloader 7 and it's a combination that is giving me around 2250 fps and deadly. For those that say they aren't legal, what isn't legal? If you can't shoot smokeless powder then shoot what is legal and use the same rifle.


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#6537336 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Tulie]  
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I wouldn't consider buying the gun if I was going to shoot BP in it. I see no advantage then. I can easily shoot MOA with a CVA BP gun at half the price, and a much lighter gun.

We can't use smokeless here in ML season, but i'm going to get one and shoot it in rifle season. Just because I like muzzleloaders, and I don't like taking the easy way.

I'm looking for a 250yd muzzleloader for rifle season. I'll use a caplock, real BP, and a PRB for ML season.


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#6537534 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: rick59]  
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Here's a new one of mine that's haveing a stock fitted to it right now.
Savage 10ML-II action w/ Fluted 25" 45cal 1:22 Pac-Nor barrel

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Soory about that, I moved the picture into another folder in photobucket and lost in my post.
This was put together by HillBill and he is building a Remington for me right now.
All parts came from Luke!

#6537579 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
I wouldn't consider buying the gun if I was going to shoot BP in it. I see no advantage then. I can easily shoot MOA with a CVA BP gun at half the price, and a much lighter gun.

We can't use smokeless here in ML season, but i'm going to get one and shoot it in rifle season. Just because I like muzzleloaders, and I don't like taking the easy way.

I'm looking for a 250yd muzzleloader for rifle season. I'll use a caplock, real BP, and a PRB for ML season.


The advantage is you can shoot either in it, it has a fantastic trigger and you have a proof tested barrel. You may have a CVA that shoots MOA but I sure never have and I've never had a Knight that did either. If I shoot Blackhorn or whatever that stuff is in it I do lose a little velocity and a little less accuracy but it's still better than any other ML I've owned.


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#6537637 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Tulie]  
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It's pretty common. Say what you will about CVA guns. The Bergara barrel is accurate.


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#6537787 - 05/25/12 Re: Savage Muzzleloader-Smokeless Powder [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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I don't think their accuracy is in question....it's the other things.


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