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Greg, I think I need to make another road trip to Sierra Vista and hang out in your shop a bit... Ed
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Dan, Check out the slug on the Left,....... An SMK nose, and a big classic greaser cylindrical body. .459 X 560 gr. STILL haven't decided what to cast these out of,....but should be a LOT of fun to play with,the "Nose slumpers from hell". What I WANTED was the 600 grainer pictured in the center,....a Leeth "Gordon" with an extra groove added. The 550 Gordon's on the right,......a GREAT bullet, IMHO. I got the "SMK" one kinda' by mistake,.....figured I'd hang onto it, and someday play with it. #1 is sure 'nuff pointy, but if launched gently it might work. Maybe. My money would be on #2 or #3. Just sayin'.... Pure speculation on my part Greg, but I'm guessing if the first one had the nose bobbed just a bit, maybe a 1/8" radius nose, it could run. Lose a little weight but rumor has it that slumping sucks. Now this wouldn't work well for greasers, but a two piece swagged bullet with a more pointed nose, dims for paper patch, that might work. Hammer dies rule! This one's .510" at the base, around .502" on the nose and 800 grains. 150 grains of Swiss 1.5 FG A man's bullet. Recoil is mild in a 40# rifle. PS: Nice wood under them Hindenbergs.
I am..........disturbed.
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Inertia plays here and there is a correlation between caliber and the amount of force required to impart angular momentum on the bullet for stability. I think I now know why those 40 grain Sierra's that were engineered for the Hornet were disappearing midway to the target when fired at 3900 fps from my 22.250. Hornet bullets have jackets a little thicker than aluminum foil, and yep, 29 brazillion rpm can do that.
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Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I once fired a paper patched round ball (yep, I was bored!) from a .44 Mag rifle. I had done so previously with acceptable and consistent accuracy up to about 1,400 fps (chronographed). The target distance was 25 yards. On whimsy I thought it might be interesting to see what would happen with "more" powder. I don't recall the powder charge, but the ball crossed the Chrony as 2,400 fps and entirely missed the 2x3' target board at 25 yards. The throat and bore was quite leaded after the fact. Therein lies a an extreme illustration of short bearing surface, fast twist for the projectile, large caliber and a sick mind at work. I would guess if it had been a short lead hollow point it might have whistled along the way. Yee-Haw.....
Interesting I tried it with reduced gallery loads, out of a 629 Smith. It seemed to work semi-okay one time. Another time I tried it, the ball stuck halfway out the muzzle, and left half the powder unburned in the barrel. Just for the record, half-burned Bullseye stinks I think I follow the explanations - the long pointy bullets need fast twist to stabilize, and the fast twist creates problems with big soft bullets launched by black powder. Makes Sense
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Ed, now you know why you were equipped with 10 more digits on your feet, 4 limbs, 2 eyes and ears and 2 brains of different size and location and one bung hole. Work it right and you can do differential calculus.
PS: One finger and an open mouth can serve as binary code as well...
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Don't vote knothead, it only encourages them. Anonymous
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This is slightly off topic, but you guys realize the world runs on ones and zeros, right? Ya just gotta make 'em fall into sequence really, really fast. It's like the economy. You could run the world's entire economy with a single dollar bill if you could move it fast enough. ONES: ZEROS:
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What do the initials RO stand for?
Ed
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Run out. It's a measure of concentricity of bullet alignment to the axis of the case. This was part of a load work up for a .250 Savage. Some rifles are sensitive to this, some are not. Apparently mine doesn't care much if the bullets are a bit cockeyed.
The measure is made about 1/8" north of the case mouth after seating the bullet, and at that junction indicates the sum of yaw (opposing sides) in thousandths of an inch from centerline. It's a relative value and would be different if done near the bullet tip. "They" say: .000" for match, .001-.002" for small varmints and up to .005" for big game...generally.
Straight wall cases have little issue with this, another reason to go with BPCR. There are a number of strategies in load technique which allow you to zero runout but that's for another thread.
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I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Thanks for the numbers, Ranch13
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No problem. Yesterday I was working on some patched loads for the 44. At 600 yds, when I ran out of patched loads and switched over to greasers, they impacted nearly 4ft below, and with the slight left to right breeze nearly 4ft right , of the patched that were shooting dead center....
the most expensive bullet there is isn't worth a plug nickel if it don't go where its supposed to. www.historicshooting.com
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