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Welcome to the party 7STW. All I can tell you is that I have been using the Partition in various catridges for a long time and never found them to be any more damaging to the meat than any other bullet and often less so. Put the bullet behind the shoulder through the lungs or heart and there shouldn't be enough meat damaged to speak of.
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7 STW--
I shot a good bull moose in BC 3 years ago with a 286 Nosler Partition from a 9.3x62, muzzle velocity about 2450 fps, range about 175 yards. Shot him right in the meaty part of the shoulder, in that angle behind the big joint. He went maybe 15 feet before tipping over and I lost a piece of meat about the size of my thumb. It wasn't bloodshot, just churned by the front of the bullet.
Have also shot a lot of animals with the 180 Partition .30-06 combo both here and Africa and have never seen 50 pounds of meat bloodshot on anything. Maybe if I'd shot them a couple of times in the butt?
Have also shot quite a few animals with the Barnes X of all kinds--plain, blue and Triple Shock--and have come to the conclusion that it can bloodshoot as much meat as any "controlled expansion" bullet if shoved fast into the edible stuff.
My own choice for not bloodying up the edible stuff is any good bullet started not too damn fast....
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FELLOW'S SETTLE DOWN.FIRST OFF I KNOW WHERE TO SHOOT A MOOSE DONE IT MANY A TIME . HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A MOOSE SHOT WITH A 30-06 180 GR NOSLER PART BY A CLIENT HUNTER WHO JUST KEEPS SHOOTING THEIR IS ALWAYS MASSIVE DAMAGE.I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MY SHOOTING.SECOND IT'S ONLY A BULLET AND IT'S MY OPINION SO GO WEEP IN THE CORNER OR SOMETHING.THIRD MULE DEER YOU ARE THE GUN WRITER AND AMMO WRITER I LOOK FORWARD TO READING WHEN MY BOOKS COME IN THE MAIL. WELL AS MUCH AS I TRIED I CAN'T LET THIS SLIDE. STEELHEAD I WILL LOAD 140 GR SIERRA BOATAIL IN MY STW FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE FOR THAT IS YOU HAVE TO COME BEAR HUNTING WITH ME USING MY CUSTOM WEATHERBY 220 ROCKET WITH THOSE GOOD OLD SIERRA BOATAILS YOU SEEM TO LIKE.MAYBE LET'S SAY OOH 55 GRAINS.
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7 STW,
Knock off the caps lock. And start carrying a steel pipe to knock your trigger happy hunter out before he shoots the moose full of so many holes. Again, it is not the bullet's fault -- Hunter Error from the sounds of it.
And yes, I have shot some moose too. Shot one in the shoulder with a 30-06 loaded with 180 partitions twice. Lost a total of 5 pounds of meat -- maybe. Broke both shoulders, and recovered weight of the bullets were right around 145 grains. Length of tracking job = zero yards.
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Sigh.
May I suggest that the best bullet to use if you really want to minimise meat loss would be something in a blunt-nosed lead. Perhaps it should be of about .45 caliber and, oh, 405 grains in weight. Let's launch it at, say, about 1300 fps. I don't know how effective it would be though or if anyone could even hit anything with it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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Ok Wildswalker. You talked this newbe into jumpin' into this one...what kind of fire do you think it would start if I were to come out and say that the Nosler Partition has been around and will be around for a long, long time, but the 7mm STW was and perhaps still is but a flash in the pan. What's really to blame? The bullet that 9 out of 10 dentists prefer for their own hunts, or an overbored wonder that's trying to hold on to it's high hopes, even though it can't get along with most bullets.?.?
On second thought, I think I will just stay out of this one...
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Actually I never hunt with Sierra boattails, but I still trust them more then you.........
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Well STEELHEAD what can I say i guess you gave a stupid answer and I gave one back.But I have a hard time trusting someone talking about big game bullets while thier picture shows them holding a turkey.
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7STW,
It is really funny because when I hunted in BC last year, my guide asked me what bullet I was using. I asked him why ? He said that he was hoping that I wasn't using a Barnes X, because they have lost move game to the X than any other bullet combined.
He said in his experience, the Partition, Trophy Bonded and Swift A Frame where consistantly giving the best results.
I happened to be using the Nosler .308, 200 grain Accubond out or my 300RUM. Results were dramatic on moose and Mt goat. Two shots, two very dead animals. The 'goat went about 200 yards...........straight down the side of a vertical mtn. The moose went 10 yards and piled up.
Don't shoot the messenger boys. I have no opinion on the X or TSX as I have never used them. Just passing along the opinion of a seasoned BC guide.
I do, however use the Barnes 250 grain Expander muzzleloader bullet. They are the hammer of Thor on deer.
Tony.
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Well STEELHEAD what can I say i guess you gave a stupid answer and I gave one back.But I have a hard time trusting someone talking about big game bullets while thier picture shows them holding a turkey. Yawn... Yet another reason for me to impregnate more women when I am in canada next month..
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Yea I would rather sleep with CANADIAN WOMEN also.IT'S better than those dirties you been turkey hunting with.
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7STW,
For a newbie, you are certainly making quite the impression here.
You trying to make friends here ?
Ain't working.................
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Not taking sides here or putting anyone's sweetheart down, but the two animals that I've had the most meat damage on were shot with a early style ballistic tip out of a 7mm-08, and a Partition out of a .257 Bob. The Bob load was chonied at 2650fps. Not exactly smoking fast. Yes it penetrated like no tomorrow, but what a mess it made! My Bob kill, last week, with a 100 grain TSX had less meat damage (though still substantial), and I estimate it going nearly 3100fps. The deer was about 30-35 feet from me too. The Partition kills I've seen tell me they definitely kill very well, but I like a more uniform wound channel. I don't like large initial holes and then a pencil the rest of the way. My sample size is much smaller than MD's but it's enough to make me not like them. Just personal preference I guess. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
That said, I would consider them for larger cartridges, like my .338-06 with a 210 or 225.
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HICOUTRY I'm sorry but all I tried to do was express an opinion and ask a question It's that simple.But when someone who you never seen before answer's a queston so stupidly; say he doesn't trust you and say's he coming to MY country to knockup women because he thinks I'm stupid I guess that friendship go's out the window where It belongs.....7STW
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Yea I would rather sleep with CANADIAN WOMEN also.IT'S better than those dirties you been turkey hunting with. That is why candian women love American men so much more then the home grown boys. Look how you talk about your own sister......
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Used a 168 txs/300H&H last week to take a cow elk. Bullet worked great, even at 280 yards it passed through the other shoulder. The cow dropped like a rock but the oppisite shoulder took a beating, lost 5-8 lbs of meat. A partition may not have passed through, but if it did I am sure it would have made the same mess. Have heard of problems with the txs bullets but this is the first game I have shot with them and I will use them again. Nathan
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THE PISSING MATCH IS OVER <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Thanks- for all your answers......7 :
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Good grief. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
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How's this for a welcoming party? BTW 7 welcome to the fire... Does this refresh your memory any? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
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