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Ranging isn't the big gig. Ranging with the reticle on live targets is only going to be a ball park figure and only at relatively close ranges.

The real benefit to FFP is that you can utilize the reticle for drop/wind at any power and spot your own corrections at any power. IE it doesn't matter what power the scope is at if you see the round land 1.3mil left say, you just hold/dial exactly what you see.

My thoughts exactly..FFP makes corrections at unknown ranges far easier, especially if working with a partner acting as a "spotter"...

I disagree with your statement, I run a couple S&B's 3 to 12 magnification with FFP on hunting rifles.
I have references taped to the stock that reference range distance based on mils at the target. Example mature whitetail buck is 18" brisket to withers, paste the mil reticle to target & range.
I do not have to worry about what magnification my scope is set on for a quick ranging reference, I do not find the reticle unusable at the lower mag.

The SFP scopes can be used to range at powers other than max you just have to know what magnification you are on and verify that it is accurate at that power.

The main thing with any of these optics with some sort of ranging reticle is that the turrets match the reticle, IE mil\mil or moa\moa.

STA,

Are you set on a variable? These fixed are pretty nice. I have the older 10x MIL reticle/MOA turrets on my 5R Milspec and am going to 'upgrade' to the new MIL/MIL reticle design possibly in 12x or 16x (maybe 20X, this isn't a close range rifle). You can also get a side adjust parallax model. They're shorter and lighter than the Viper.

The Viper is sweet though, had one of the PSTs on order when they were coming out, but took so long to come in hunting season forced a different choice. Still like the PST but the SWFA SS scopes are hard to beat for price. And I'm always at the 'right' mag for ranging!

FWIW - I picked up a Weaver 3-10x40mm mil-dot for $299 at Midway and thought it was one of the better deals out there for a mil-mil optic.

Weaver 1/10th mil

Interesting-so you guys are saying that with a hypothetical 3-12x scope for example, you actually use the intermediate magnifications (4x-11x)at distances when ranging or adjusting drop might be necessary (which I consider to be beyond about 250yds)?
For me, the FFP advantage is moot. If it's far enough away that I have to range or adjust with turrets, I'm on maximum power anyway. At those distances, FOV is HUGE, so picking up a target is easy even at max magnification.

I think the FFP really shines over the SFP where you are shooting at multiple targets at multiple ranges and using hold overs instead of twisting turrets.

Another time that FFP works better is on higher power scopes where you end up having to turn them down because of mirage. However a SFP will still worked it you have mapped your reticle to where you know what your sub tensions are at different powers. Also keep in mind that just because the scope says 12x that may be 12.5 or 11.5 or ... so you have to do a little leg work to know exactly where to set your power ring
Example on a 6-24: 1 mil equals
1mil24x
2mils12X
4mils6x

I have just ordered the new version of the Falcon Menace..Its 4-14x44, FFP, Mil/Mil and an illuminated reticule.





It will go on my .22LR CZ452 Varmint to replace a 7x50mm Meopta. The idea is that it will approximate my 4-16x50 S&B PM11 on my .308win..Plus I am hoping it will be death on long range bunnies!

The Falcon Menace has had mixed reviews for reliability in the past, but by all accounts they have improved over the years. At around $400, its about half the price of the Vortex PST, comes with a Limited Lifetime Warranty and the company that is behind them is relatively local to me here in the UK, so I figured I would give them a try..

Regards,

Peter