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What was said was that we have seen Aim Points fail on big bore heavy recoiling revolvers. Then you jumped to the conclusion that the newer ones would stand up to the heavy reciol of theses big bore revolvers. But we don't know that at this point it is only speculation.
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Don't forget I asked which model you've seen fail, you could not or did not answer. Were you present when these Aimpoints failed or just read about them on the net?
Don't take offense but I'm sure someone who's reading this will one day remember that the UD has a 4 year battery life... Which turns out to be 5 months on the lowest setting, 20 hours on high but it was stated here as fact and you made reference to it. Things get distorted on the net. That's why it's important to base conclusions on personal experience or at least ask a few more questions.
I am speculating that the H1/T1 Micro will hold up just as you are that they won't since you've never seen one fail.
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Again you distort the facts on battery life. . You make it sound like a battery change is difficult, it's not as anyone that own a flash light knows Specifications:
Tube Diameter: 1" / 25mm
Field of View: Unlimited
Windage/Elevation Adjustments: 1 MOA per click
Dot Size: 4 MOA
Dot Brightness Adjustment: 11 Settings / Click
Length: 5.1 Inches
Battery: 3v Lithium CR2032
Battery Life: 20 - 4,000 Hours
Weight: 3.9 oz
Parallax Free @ 50m
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As Whitworth has posted in real life use he is still useing the same batteries for 4 years and that is a fact
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I think the UD would be a fine choice for a target/plinking/hunting rifle, but for a fighting rifle, battery life is very important as TWR points out. Something else that needs to be said is abuse from recoil and external abuse are two entirely different things. While I have no experience with a UD6 I seriously doubt it could take nearly as much external abuse as a H1. I have an Aimpoint PRO and don't think it could take as much abuse as a H1 either.
All that said I think I'm going try one of those UD6's in the near future for one of my AR's. I don't fight with mine and I really like options the UD6 offers.
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TC1, I have contacted Ultradot and the older models with the smaller battery is the reason that the 20 hrs is listed. The ones that they have bee proucing for a number of years uses the 2032 battery and the battery life should be 5 to 6 years
When I get the info emailed I will post
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The UD chart you posted says 20-4000 hours, grab a calculater and see if that don't equal 5 months...
I've distorted nothing.
Once again, battery life is measured with the device on, now if Whitworth used his sight continually for 4 years he and you would be right but both of ya'll are distorting the facts. Any device should have a 10 year shelf life (which is the shelf life of a lithium battery) if you never use it.
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I think the UD would be a fine choice for a target/plinking/hunting rifle, but for a fighting rifle, battery life is very important as TWR points out. Something else that needs to be said is abuse from recoil and external abuse are two entirely different things. While I have no experience with a UD6 I seriously doubt it could take nearly as much external abuse as a H1. I have an Aimpoint PRO and don't think it could take as much abuse as a H1 either.
All that said I think I'm going try one of those UD6's in the near future for one of my AR's. I don't fight with mine and I really like options the UD6 offers.
Terry Terry, I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. Battery life is exemplary in the Ultradots, so what in the hell are we talking about here? Shock from recoil is very significant. I have dropped mine out of a number of tree stands and zero wasn't even affected. Just because they don't advertise them in every magazine doesn't make them somehow less viable a sight. How many of you are taking your personal ARs into battle? Y'all talk like you're hopping on the next flight to Kabul and this sight is a critical decision for you. Good grief.
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Once again, battery life is measured with the device on, now if Whitworth used his sight continually for 4 years he and you would be right but both of ya'll are distorting the facts. Any device should have a 10 year shelf life (which is the shelf life of a lithium battery) if you never use it.
TWR, do you turn your Aimpoint on and leave it on until the battery dies? I suspect the answer is no. I will bet I use my Ultradots at least if not more than you use your Aimpoints, and there is no issue with battery life -- period.
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Just because they don't advertise them in every magazine doesn't make them somehow less viable a sight.
That is a fact. Since Ultradot doesn't pay shooters to use their product and doen't spend huge amounts on advertising is a major contributoer to the lower cost, not lack of quality
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If I were going to Kabul I'd mount a S&B 1 1/4X4 or a 1.5X6 on mine, case closed
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"TWR, do you turn your Aimpoint on and leave it on until the battery dies? I suspect the answer is no. I will bet I use my Ultradots at least if not more than you use your Aimpoints, and there is no issue with battery life -- period."
I've posted it twice here I think but once again, yes MY AIMPOINT H1 MICRO HAS BEEN ON FOR 2 YEARS, I never turn it off. It's on setting 8 right now and my eo-thngie is setting here on my desk and has been running for about 184 hours now. I like to test things out for myself, what can I say?
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If I were going to Kabul I'd mount a S&B 1 1/4X4 or a 1.5X6 on mine, case closed
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"TWR, do you turn your Aimpoint on and leave it on until the battery dies? I suspect the answer is no. I will bet I use my Ultradots at least if not more than you use your Aimpoints, and there is no issue with battery life -- period."
I've posted it twice here I think but once again, yes MY AIMPOINT H1 MICRO HAS BEEN ON FOR 2 YEARS, I never turn it off. It's on setting 8 right now and my eo-thngie is setting here on my desk and has been running for about 184 hours now. I like to test things out for myself, what can I say?
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Since you like testing, get an Ultradot and if it isn't everything that we claimed then I will buy it from you and you will be out nothing
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I plan on it believe it or not and thanks for the offer but that's not necessary. It will be awhile though...
I'm always messing with AR's and get lot's of questions about different things. It'll be good to know if a cheaper option is available.
Be sure and post UD's e-mail, I am interested.
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I think the UD would be a fine choice for a target/plinking/hunting rifle, but for a fighting rifle, battery life is very important as TWR points out. Something else that needs to be said is abuse from recoil and external abuse are two entirely different things. While I have no experience with a UD6 I seriously doubt it could take nearly as much external abuse as a H1. I have an Aimpoint PRO and don't think it could take as much abuse as a H1 either.
All that said I think I'm going try one of those UD6's in the near future for one of my AR's. I don't fight with mine and I really like options the UD6 offers.
Terry Terry, I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. Battery life is exemplary in the Ultradots, so what in the hell are we talking about here? Shock from recoil is very significant. I have dropped mine out of a number of tree stands and zero wasn't even affected. Just because they don't advertise them in every magazine doesn't make them somehow less viable a sight. How many of you are taking your personal ARs into battle? Y'all talk like you're hopping on the next flight to Kabul and this sight is a critical decision for you. Good grief. I actually know better but its hanging out there waiting for a bite. You noted you are in the "business". I"m not sure if thats testing for a company, writing etc... but note that you are an outdoor person. I can see dropping a rifle, maybe once somehow or another, but please, splain how you've managed to drop an AR(hopefully unloaded) out of a number of treestands? Or is that actually a test you run on optics to see the abuse? I"m actually interested in this dropping. That for DANG sure would be a good test to run but I just can't bring myself to drop my guns on purpose. BTW I'm not avoiding the topic after this post.. I"ll simply be gone for a few days offshore fishing. Jeff
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I think the UD would be a fine choice for a target/plinking/hunting rifle, but for a fighting rifle, battery life is very important as TWR points out. Something else that needs to be said is abuse from recoil and external abuse are two entirely different things. While I have no experience with a UD6 I seriously doubt it could take nearly as much external abuse as a H1. I have an Aimpoint PRO and don't think it could take as much abuse as a H1 either.
All that said I think I'm going try one of those UD6's in the near future for one of my AR's. I don't fight with mine and I really like options the UD6 offers.
Terry Terry, I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. Battery life is exemplary in the Ultradots, so what in the hell are we talking about here? Shock from recoil is very significant. I have dropped mine out of a number of tree stands and zero wasn't even affected. Just because they don't advertise them in every magazine doesn't make them somehow less viable a sight. How many of you are taking your personal ARs into battle? Y'all talk like you're hopping on the next flight to Kabul and this sight is a critical decision for you. Good grief. I actually know better but its hanging out there waiting for a bite. You noted you are in the "business". I"m not sure if thats testing for a company, writing etc... but note that you are an outdoor person. I can see dropping a rifle, maybe once somehow or another, but please, splain how you've managed to drop an AR(hopefully unloaded) out of a number of treestands? Or is that actually a test you run on optics to see the abuse? I"m actually interested in this dropping. That for DANG sure would be a good test to run but I just can't bring myself to drop my guns on purpose. BTW I'm not avoiding the topic after this post.. I"ll simply be gone for a few days offshore fishing. Jeff It wasn't hanging anywhere had you gone back a couple more posts. Allow me to clarify. The Ultradot was mounted on a revolver, Jeff -- hunting, tree stands, and definitely not on purpose and in fact, one stand collapsed and I was lucky to emerge with only some scratches. Now why would I drop them on purpose? The point I was making that despite the falls, nothing was broken and zero never changed. Ultradots are tough.
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Cool. Sounds like you got worse luck than I do and I thought I had bad luck.
Glad you came out of it all ok. Falling is very dangerous and consider yourself lucky there as I know you do.
Busy week with fire calls and such and this is a week I"m guilty of not getting time to read and clarify each and every post.
Off to the coast in a bit.
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Cool. Sounds like you got worse luck than I do and I thought I had bad luck.
Glad you came out of it all ok. Falling is very dangerous and consider yourself lucky there as I know you do.
Busy week with fire calls and such and this is a week I"m guilty of not getting time to read and clarify each and every post.
Off to the coast in a bit.
Jeff Jeff, the outfitter nearly had heart failure after it happened. The second time my revolver fell out my stand it fell from my holster -- the strap wasn't snapped -- lesson learned! Enjoy the coast!
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