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And you do know I'm just busting your balls on the NC thing.
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No one has ever accused NC folks of being overly bright but you sure are funny..... This coming from someone who retired in TN is rich. I suspect my IQ and school transcripts would stand up well against most anyone.
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Shame they don't go past the 5th grade...
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Shame they don't go past the 5th grade... Its still five grades longer than you went to school Oh and why do all Coast Guard uniforms have zippers in the back?
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You're right, it makes far more sense to live in a state with income tax, my bad.
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You're right, it makes far more sense to live in a state with income tax, my bad.
Well, we all can't be as "special" as you are.
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Seriously, it shows considerable intelligence to live in a place with more taxes. Someone has to feed the 'poor' and I'm proud of you!
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Seriously, it shows considerable intelligence to live in a place with more taxes. Someone has to feed the 'poor' and I'm proud of you! I guess some of us are just more inclined to stick by home and family thru good or bad than simply worrying about old self and personal comfort first. And good or bad NC is home.
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All the SST's I ever fooled with had the interlock. I'm running them in my AR this year. ![[Linked Image]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/wheeler_/DSC05042-1.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/wheeler_/DSC05044.jpg) The interlock ring on that bullet is farther forward than any I've seen by at least 2x.
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And folks wonder why I use Barnes bullets. I don't have to spend a day or three cutting bullets in half and sending emails and calling the company to see if they have a frigging interlock.
I'll not use an SST again unless it's for gophers. It probably took a whole 20 minutes to cut the bullet. I found some time in my frantic schedule. My take on bullets like Barnes is that the lighter metal is like using steel shot in a shotgun shell. No way it can carry it's velocity as good as lead in my opinion. So then explain how a 180 grain lead core bullet is so much heavier than a 180 grain mono metal like Barnes that the lead core maintains its velocity and the Barnes falls out of the sky like a rock, when they both weigh the same.  (BTW, I like Barnes bullets, but your thought process is flawed, I think.)
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My take on bullets like Barnes is that the lighter metal is like using steel shot in a shotgun shell.
No way it can carry it's velocity as good as lead in my opinion. Since we�re dealing with a single projectile, it�s a little different that lead/steel in shotguns. The advertised Ballilstic Coefficient for a 180g SST and 180g TTSX are: .480 = 180g SST .473 = 180g TTSX Not much difference there. Launched at 2700fps and zeroed at 250 yards, the calculated trajectories show very little difference. 600 yards -74.02�, 1733fps, 1200fp3= 180g SST -74.58�, 1721fps, 1183fpe = 180g TTSX 1000 yards -344.81�, 1258fps, 633fpe = 180g SST -349.00�, 1244fps, 619fpe = 180g TTSX The difference is so tiny as to be irrelevant for hunting purposes. You might want to re-evaluate and select an opinion more in tune with reality.
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My take on bullets like Barnes is that the lighter metal is like using steel shot in a shotgun shell.
No way it can carry it's velocity as good as lead in my opinion. Since we�re dealing with a single projectile, it�s a little different that lead/steel in shotguns. The advertised Ballilstic Coefficient for a 180g SST and 180g TTSX are: .480 = 180g SST .473 = 180g TTSX Not much difference there. Launched at 2700fps and zeroed at 250 yards, the calculated trajectories show very little difference. 600 yards -74.02�, 1733fps, 1200fp3= 180g SST -74.58�, 1721fps, 1183fpe = 180g TTSX 1000 yards -344.81�, 1258fps, 633fpe = 180g SST -349.00�, 1244fps, 619fpe = 180g TTSX The difference is so tiny as to be irrelevant for hunting purposes. You might want to re-evaluate and select an opinion more in tune with reality. I admit this is just my theory and opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if real world actual trajectories and those calulated with BC numbers are quite different due to the longer bullet surface that has to be present on a bullet with less specific gravity. I don't see many homogeneous bullets talked about in long range discussions, matches, etc. I think I may be very much in tune with reality, sir.
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I admit this is just my theory and opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if real world actual trajectories and those calulated with BC numbers are quite different due to the longer bullet surface that has to be present on a bullet with less specific gravity.
I don't see many homogeneous bullets talked about in long range discussions, matches, etc.
I think I may be very much in tune with reality, sir.
The BC's take the longer bearing surface into consideration.
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I think the Barnes bullets are great now but when they first came out they were unpredictable. I use them for pretty much everything.
But when I am hunting thick thorny brush where even a short tracking job means crawling around with big rattlesnakes and a longer even fifty yard tracking job could result in a lost animal I like the faster opening or even fragmenting type bullets like the SST.
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Bought a thousand 180gr SSTs in a blem sale a few years ago. They shoot well from my '06s at 2700 and change (according to loading manual data) compliments of 55gr of H4350 and kill deer extremely well. Never recovered one as they always exit. I haven't killed anything larger than deer with them but I can't imagine a black bear just shrugging them off. I might pick a tougher bullet for larger game like elk but I have no reason to switch for deer.
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Good idea Dave. I just sent them an e-mail. I have done this and they (Hornady) told me the 180 SST is an elk bullet at -06 and .308 speeds. Expat
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Good bullets for deer for broadside shots.
Would not take a frontal or quartering away shot on an elk with SST's.
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