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I don't see myself carrying more than 15 lbs with the pack I described. The HPG may be the ticket, even without the waste belt.

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I haven't heard back from HPG on this one. I wish they had a phone so I could ask person to person.

Can you add one of their kit pack thingys (and how) to the front of a Tara bc I insist in carrying my binos in a pouch on the front - not hanging from my neck? I've been using fly fishing harnesses/packs for many years but I am ready for something more purpose built.

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The Kit bag and Tara are stand alone, each come with there own harness. You can use them both togather this way. You can also get the "runners harness" which connects the two and they now the are one on the same harness, this means you cannot use them seperate though. That is unless you buy everything seperately. Either way works fine, I would advise to just buy a Kit bag and Tara with their own harness system. You can think about the runners harness later. Its really not that confusing even though it might sound like it.

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Originally Posted by Big_W

BTW, I might be out of line saying this as I dont know anything about your condition but have you tried doing core excerises? I started doing a half hour core excerise routine twice a week and it has really helped my back problems.


Yeah, I do them. Losing 20 pounds last year and keeping them off was a big help, too. grin

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Originally Posted by evanhill
Thanks for all the support guys. Recently I've been carrying 40 pounds in a prototype belted pack I'm working on. This morning I switched back to the Tara, which is loaded with a lot of water weight for out here in the desert. That plus my Kit Bag weighs in at around 20lbs of all shoulder weight. I found myself wishing I was carrying the heavier load in the belted pack instead. The Tara fills a niche and I love it, but anything above about 15 and I prefer belted myself... I've got no back issues to deal with though.


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The prototype pack sounds interesting.

If you don't mind my offering, my personal preference is for a belt that truly sits on the hips and bears weight. I've seen many, many day packs with a belt that can only be described as notional. That is, it seems to be there for decoration, and even on a short-bodied person, the shoulder straps have to be let way out for the belt to reach the hip bones.

I have a day pack that's heavier than I wanted, in a configuration that I don't particularly care for, because it was the only one I could find that had a true weight-bearing hip belt.

I can carry a really light load for an hour or two without using the belt if I want, but ... for a 6-hour hike, with water for one man/one day, lunch, rain jacket, pants, a fleece, minimal first aid and safety gear, I'm going to want a hip belt. It makes for a much happier day, with less pain and less fatigue.

Just my two cents. BTW, I have a HPG kit bag and love it.

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Originally Posted by elkhunter_241
I just picked up a Mountainsmith Centennial 30.

Exactly what you described.
1900 cubic inches for a day pack application??

The OP is only hauling a sammich and a fleece jacket.

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Slum, explain how others suggested the BL 2200 and thats bigger and yet you dont criticize that suggestion?

He asked for suggestions, I shared.


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Originally Posted by slumlord
The OP is only hauling a sammich and a fleece jacket.


No, he's not.

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I'm looking for a light pack to use for one day hikes. Needs to hold a camelback and have enough room for an added fleece, lunch/snacks, and a few basic survival items (matches, compass, small knife, basic med kit, etc). A place to strap trekking poles would be nice as well. I like packs with a waste belt.

Primary use will be day hikes in the mountains. Most hikes will not exceed 20 miles. 10-14 will be be the norm.


To sum up, the OP wants to haul a Camelback, fleece, lunch and snacks, survival items and trekking poles.

I imagine he might want to add a rain jacket now and then, but since he didn't put that in the OP, that's just me talking.

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Originally Posted by elkhunter_241
Slum, explain how others suggested the BL 2200 and thats bigger and yet you dont criticize that suggestion?

He asked for suggestions, I shared.
It's all gravy baby! I wasn't criticizing your input or excluding the higher cubic inch packs. I was just
thinking possibly the packs recommended were getting a bit large for a day hike.

I'm guessing empty pack weight is 5-6 lbs for that size bag?

Didn't intend to come across in an assy tone.
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For my actual two pennies, I think he needs something smaller like a Gregory Pow daypack. I use that on day trips, 12-15 lb loads, has a small waist strap, chest strap, bladder pocket, etc.

That's been a good little pack for me, lasted 3 years of college every day use, dozens of day hikes and it's been my carry-on for many flights. Still have that bag, now probably 7 or 8 years.


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I carry 50 plus liters cinched down as a daypack often but it weighs less than 2'lbs


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Originally Posted by Blackbrush
I haven't heard back from HPG on this one. I wish they had a phone so I could ask person to person.

Can you add one of their kit pack thingys (and how) to the front of a Tara bc I insist in carrying my binos in a pouch on the front - not hanging from my neck? I've been using fly fishing harnesses/packs for many years but I am ready for something more purpose built.


HPG responds quickly to email, in my experience. Their forums also have many pictures and threads regarding Kit Bag/Taramuhara setups; worth taking a look at.

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The Centennial is 2 lbs 6 ozs and can be made lighter.

I would like to know what pack you are using Kevin.


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I most often use one of 4 packs HPG Tara, Dana Speed, ULA epic (a
Lot like the speed) ULA ohm 2.0.


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PM sent Blackbrush. Shouldn't have been a gap in comms more than one business day at most. We do have phone conversations with folks who ask via email, and are considering upgrading to phone service. Big W did answer the question as well as I would have though.

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