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They do have a locking front diff..... It just isn't selectable by the rider.
Which I was rather hesitant about at first, but has now definately proven itself to me.
Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
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I'm a Honda guy and not threatened at all about new tech. I encourage it. But there is no arguing that what Honda has works.
With the frame issues Can-Am has, I'm not touching that. reading up on them many will say an accident caused the break. if that is the case, whey is Can-Am making a 'repair" for them?
You can have all the power you want, if you can't keep the equipment together, what good does it do you?
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If you do more research, you'll find that the cracks that have appeared are more cosmetic than anything else. Nowhere is there any reports of frame failure. Frame crack, yes, failure, no. Pretty important distinction there really. And in my opinion it's likely the same sort of thing of where the internet has blown it up out of proportion.
And really, one can certainly say that what Honda HAD worked, now, not so much..... Old Honda's are bulletproof, new ones definately aren't.
But to each their own, I really don't care what anyone else rides, as long as they actually ride one, and not just beak about something they read that may have happened on the internet.
Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
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If you do more research, you'll find that the cracks that have appeared are more cosmetic than anything else. In my research I found that statement to be completely false. They ARE cracking and they ARE causing accidents.In fact on one of the Can-Am sites there is a woman that is suing Can-Am because they believe the frame issue was the cause of a crash by her husband, which I believe resulted in his death. Why would Can-Am come up with a frame support for a "purely cosmetic" frame cracking issue. It's been going on for years and Can-Am is just now starting to recognize they have a problem.
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Pretty sure a woman sued macdonalds down there for spilling hot coffee on herself as well didn't she? Seems pretty common to sue in the lower 48 when you [bleep] up, as opposed to taking responsibility, no?
When a court finds liability, then your statement has merit, I suppose.
Its statements like yours that result in stuff like frame gussets. Enough bad press, and companies issue fixes and recalls.... Example, bolt retrofitting in Remmie 700's, because idiots shoot themselves through poor gun handling, etc.
I agree that frames shouldn't have stress points such as that, but it isn't like if a support beam gets a stress line your machine will rip in half at 70 miles an hour.
Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
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Don't get pissed at me, I didn't design a frame that cracks. They're NOT cosmetic or Can-Am wouldn't be fixing it. Doesn't matter....I'm not buying one. They haven't been able to fix this issue for what, 10 years?
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For $7000 bucks, your seat should not melt under your ASS!
Mine melted! Google.... Can-am seat melting
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Like I said tzone, I really don't care what anyone else buys, or doesn't buy.
But there hasn't been "ten years" of frame breaking, unless maybe you are thinking of suzuuki?
And I'm certainly not mad, it's the internet.
Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
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I think old Hondas were simple and all the rage now is the quad has to have this and that. When you add all this new, extra stuff. There will be more probs but I would still say there isn't another quad made more reliable than a Honda maybe some as reliable but I doubt there are any that are more.
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I think you could flip a coin on the yamaha's for being as or more reliable than the honda.
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I think lack of a belt swings it in honda's favor. But I do think yammy's are the most reliable belt driven tranny
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I was a bit concerned about the belts on these machines, at least on the Yamaha we were looking at last fall. However, after running it for 5000 miles, I hardly think the belt is a big concern. Inspect it periodically and change it at intervals appropriate to the use you give the machine and you won't have issues. Certainly a belt is easier to change than is a piston.
"Honda" is the commonly used generic term for a quad bike in many parts of rural Alaska. That should tell you something. The fact that other brands are now making significant inroads into these areas - often a brand switch by people who have run nothing but Honda for over 30 years- tells another story. "Reliable" sells out here.
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I like Honda. I have one, and have had one in the past. I have a Foreman 450 4x4. A trail machine it is not! I'd not hesitate to use it for any type of work though.
I still think Polaris has the nicest ride and has for many years. I'm hoping the reliability is coming back a bit.
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I think you could flip a coin on the yamaha's for being as or more reliable than the honda. Yes Sir the yammy's a good solid all around bike.I sure like them.
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Just hunted hard for second season with my '11 Can Am Outlander. No issues other than brute power, excellent comfort, and unfailing service.
Some guys buy a machine and flog the dog snot, drop it off a building, drown it, and get mad when something breaks. Happens all the time, ask any maintenance mechanic at any shop at any dealer.
The only two machines that gave us trouble on this year's hunts were Yamahas. A person can, and will, break anything.
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I like Honda. I have one, and have had one in the past. I have a Foreman 450 4x4. A trail machine it is not! I'd not hesitate to use it for any type of work though.
I still think Polaris has the nicest ride and has for many years. I'm hoping the reliability is coming back a bit. I've got the same exact machine and IMO, Honda nailed it with this machine when it comes to utility quads. I'll be looking for a new machine pretty soon though, the Foreman wasn't built for comfort and I ain't get any younger!
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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That's the exact reason I'm looking for another. They ride like a 3/4 ton truck.
I'm going to keep it though and use it for ice fishing and deer pulling duty.
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I like Honda. I have one, and have had one in the past. I have a Foreman 450 4x4. A trail machine it is not! I'd not hesitate to use it for any type of work though.
I still think Polaris has the nicest ride and has for many years. I'm hoping the reliability is coming back a bit. I haven't read all this thread. A fellow from MN. has a HONDA? I have a Polaris DU 500 from 01 with 7000+ on it. I have gone on maybe a hundred back country rides with buds that have the gamet of brands. I have never, ever had ANY down time or stoppage. (except for one time I ran out of gas about a 1 1/2 from the truck). I have pulled about all brands out though. It seems to me the 2004 Polaris year did suck though. I also have a 550xp Browning 2010 with power steering. That is a great wheeler, so far.
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That's the exact reason I'm looking for another. They ride like a 3/4 ton truck.
I'm going to keep it though and use it for ice fishing and deer pulling duty. I'll be keeping mine too, it's too damned reliable to get rid of it. Should my next rig go down for some reason, i've got old reliable as a backup. Win/win!
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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