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If you have some time to kill, check out this video.

Very well done and superb footage. *





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There has already been a little discussion about this bear and the guides... They sure seemed (the guides that is) to find a bunch of convenient moose kills.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...s/4098793/Re_Interesting_potential_conse

And a news release when things got tighter for the Sims team.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/20/146070/alaska-hunting-guide-faces-federal.html


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Hence the asterisk....*


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Monster bear! I have the video tape at home somewhere. Geez the size of those things is incredible.


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seems appropriate

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"Perfect shot, dead in 10 minutes"? I have never shot a bear with archery equipment, but that seems like an awefully long time. Is that normal or expected?

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So, has there been any progress in the case against this guide, or is it something that will be stalled for several years while they continue to operate?

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Originally Posted by Arac
"Perfect shot, dead in 10 minutes"? I have never shot a bear with archery equipment, but that seems like an awefully long time. Is that normal or expected?


I think it's very normal/optimal.
I smoked a big bull elk through the sweet spot and watched him dance around for at least that long.
Archery kills usually ain't too pretty.


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Originally Posted by Salmonella
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"Perfect shot, dead in 10 minutes"? I have never shot a bear with archery equipment, but that seems like an awefully long time. Is that normal or expected?


I think it's very normal/optimal.
I smoked a big bull elk through the sweet spot and watched him dance around for at least that long.
Archery kills usually ain't too pretty.


My archery experience is limited to deer and a few hogs. They all expired in a fraction of that time. A real 10 minutes is a long time.

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10 mins. on an animal that size is normal. Didn't look like the arrow penetrated all the way to the fletchings so he might of only got one lung. Anyway that's a hell of trophy with any weapon!

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God that is a big SOB

Hit looked a little far back, prob why it took a few minutes. Should have shot him again when he stood up. Sissy.

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He's huge! His ears look like nubs on that big damn head.


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Originally Posted by Salmonella
[quote=Arac]
Archery kills usually ain't too pretty.


Can't say I've ever shot a bear with an arrow, but I've taken several other critters.

Well placed shot is usually quicker than a bullet (my experiences on animals)


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Originally Posted by cal74
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[quote=Arac]
Archery kills usually ain't too pretty.


Can't say I've ever shot a bear with an arrow, but I've taken several other critters.

Well placed shot is usually quicker than a bullet (my experiences on animals)


Really?

It's my experience that archery gear kills by laceration, the animal must bleed out, usually coughing and choking on its own blood when drilled through the lungs with a sharp broadhead.

A rifle has bone crushing power that also transmits a lot of hydrostatic shock that breaks an animal down hard especially with a high shoulder shot.

Certainly every kill is a bit different.



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I've found both bullet and arrow to be quick when lung shot. Deer and elk normally run 50-200 yards then tip over when properly hit by an arrow. It's over in a matter of seconds. Quite often they don't even know they have been hit, they just run off with the herd, then fall over. I don't have any experience on griz though.

Regardless, that bear looks incredible. It's too bad the guides are (supposedly) so shady.




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Great trophy!


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Originally Posted by cal74
Well placed shot is usually quicker than a bullet

Even more so with a black bear.

Double lung a black bear and he'll be lucky to get out of sight.


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Originally Posted by aalf
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Well placed shot is usually quicker than a bullet

Even more so with a black bear.

Double lung a black bear and he'll be lucky to get out of sight.


That's what I saw on the only archery bear hunt I witnessed. The bear went maybe 15-20 yards before stopping, squirming around and expiring. I think the fellow who pointed out that the arrow didn't seem to penetrate very far was correct. Maybe only one lung got a solid hit. I still think that 10 minutes is a really long time if the animal is hit well.

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Great footage! That thing looks like a circus bear it is so fat! Outstanding trophy!


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Personally I think that guy and the guide are douchbags.

1) Why is he grabbing for his handgun? He should be nocking another arrow and taking another shot.

2) Why didn't the guide tell him to nock another arrow and take another shot?

3) He did not have the proper set-up with bow and arrow. That penatration was no where near acceptable to me.


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