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I too have been looking at safes for years. I once made an offer on a beautiful Browining safe at a business sale. The guy running the sale wouldn't take my offer and told me to go look at the side of the safe that was up against the wall. This vault was one of those very expensive and beautifully finished safes with the nicely finished picture on the front and the big three handled locking mechanism. It must have had 12 big 1 inch bolts that locked the door closed and it certainly was fire proof. Guess what, the safe had been burlgled. No half-way intelligent burglar will try and go thru the massive front door. The front door is all for show. What these burglars did was to drill 4 holes in a square pattern about 6-7 inches apart about 2/3 is the way toward the top of one side. They they drilled more smaller holes between the 4 larger holes. Then they used a hack saw and cut between the holes and pryed the flap open they had cut. They reached in, one arm at a time, felt around till they found a gun and lifted it out thru the newly cut flap in the side of the vault.
Since seeing the burgled Browning safe I have been looking more at the material thickness and type metal on the top and sides of the vaults than at the massive doors.
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I too have been looking at safes for years. I once made an offer on a beautiful Browining safe at a business sale. The guy running the sale wouldn't take my offer and told me to go look at the side of the safe that was up against the wall. This vault was one of those very expensive and beautifully finished safes with the nicely finished picture on the front and the big three handled locking mechanism. It must have had 12 big 1 inch bolts that locked the door closed and it certainly was fire proof. Guess what, the safe had been burlgled. No half-way intelligent burglar will try and go thru the massive front door. The front door is all for show. What these burglars did was to drill 4 holes in a square pattern about 6-7 inches apart about 2/3 is the way toward the top of one side. They they drilled more smaller holes between the 4 larger holes. Then they used a hack saw and cut between the holes and pryed the flap open they had cut. They reached in, one arm at a time, felt around till they found a gun and lifted it out thru the newly cut flap in the side of the vault.
Since seeing the burgled Browning safe I have been looking more at the material thickness and type metal on the top and sides of the vaults than at the massive doors. LOL, musta took alot of time to do that. Thats why I pay 50 bucks a month for a monitored alarm system. They gots 30 seconds from the time they enter to figure out what to do. (Run or Play) Response time 5 min for police, 2 min for fire. Wonder if they are that fast at drilling and peeling? Swifty
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I too have kept my little inconspicuous floor safe for my guns and installed a 24x7 alarm system that is monitored for doors, motion and fire. The big fancy safes, as beautiful as they are, are going to have to wait. I'd rather go on a hunt !
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I too have been looking at safes for years. I once made an offer on a beautiful Browining safe at a business sale. The guy running the sale wouldn't take my offer and told me to go look at the side of the safe that was up against the wall. This vault was one of those very expensive and beautifully finished safes with the nicely finished picture on the front and the big three handled locking mechanism. It must have had 12 big 1 inch bolts that locked the door closed and it certainly was fire proof. Guess what, the safe had been burlgled. No half-way intelligent burglar will try and go thru the massive front door. The front door is all for show. What these burglars did was to drill 4 holes in a square pattern about 6-7 inches apart about 2/3 is the way toward the top of one side. They they drilled more smaller holes between the 4 larger holes. Then they used a hack saw and cut between the holes and pryed the flap open they had cut. They reached in, one arm at a time, felt around till they found a gun and lifted it out thru the newly cut flap in the side of the vault.
Since seeing the burgled Browning safe I have been looking more at the material thickness and type metal on the top and sides of the vaults than at the massive doors. LOL, musta took alot of time to do that. Thats why I pay 50 bucks a month for a monitored alarm system. They gots 30 seconds from the time they enter to figure out what to do. (Run or Play) Response time 5 min for police, 2 min for fire. Wonder if they are that fast at drilling and peeling? Swifty "They gots 30 seconds from the time they enter to figure out what to do. (Run or Play) Response time 5 min for police, 2 min for fire. Wonder if they are that fast at drilling and peeling?" Humm, so that's why Nike sells so many $200/pair of shoes!
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With all the modifications might be getting close in cost to a built in. Turn an entire closet into a safe and add as much security and fire retardation as you want. Main cost is the door, lock and hinge system then plate steel on the walls and ceiling.
"When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." Niccolo Machiavelli
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Find a regular gun safe whose door opens 180 degrees. Mount one row of guns to the back of the door, and you can freely access another row in the back of the safe. Store the guns in their own protective sleeves to avoid handling marks.
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Humm, so that's why Nike sells so many $200/pair of shoes! Yep them nikes sure are nice, heard they can help some out run a speeding bullet.  But for those who feel adventuresome, and are prone to depriveing people of their property, then there is this. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af213/swifty56/IMG_0985.jpg) Which is why I said How fast can they drill and peel? And to the OP, Creative use of space is always a good thing. Theres more than 12 in this, and I dont get dings and dents. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af213/swifty56/IMG_0986.jpg) Swifty
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We`ve all had the bumped guns and aggravation removing the guns in the back of the safe.The advertised capacity (number of guns) might be attained if you store only single barreled shotguns or similar.Trying to fit scoped rifles etc.the space is quickly filled. This website: www.storemoreguns.com may have the solution.I just ordered the rods advertised and hope they work as claimed. I too am tired of scratched stocks and having to remove 5 or 6 guns to get the one in the back out. Joe
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With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
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Finally got a chance to rework the innards of one of my safes and use the 'store more guns rods' that I had ordered. The product worked just as advertised.Capacity claimed for this safe was 30 but 24 or 25 was the limit for me.It now has 43 in it and no banging them together to remove one on the back row.Mixture of long arms;bolt,lever,double guns and scoped.This is one of those times that you ask yourself "Why didn`t I think of that?"
Joe
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With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
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