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Apparently Wolf Blitzer, in an interview with Howard Dean, asked about Abramoff contributions to Democrats. I know most were to Republicans, but in the interview, Dean stated outright that NO Democrats recieved contributions from Abramoff. Here is the transcript: BLITZER: Should Democrats who took money from Jack Abramoff, who has now pleaded guilty to bribery charges, among other charges, a Republican lobbyist in Washington, should the Democrat who took money from him give that money to charity or give it back?
DEAN: There are no Democrats who took money from Jack Abramoff, not one, not one single Democrat. Every person named in this scandal is a Republican. Every person under investigation is a Republican. Every person indicted is a Republican. This is a Republican finance scandal. There is no evidence that Jack Abramoff ever gave any Democrat any money. And we've looked through all of those FEC reports to make sure that's true.
BLITZER: But through various Abramoff-related organizations and outfits, a bunch of Democrats did take money that presumably originated with Jack Abramoff.
DEAN: That's not true either. There's no evidence for that either. There is no evidence...
BLITZER: What about Senator Byron Dorgan?
DEAN: Senator Byron Dorgan and some others took money from Indian tribes. They're not agents of Jack Abramoff. There's no evidence that I've seen that Jack Abramoff directed any contributions to Democrats. I know the Republican National Committee would like to get the Democrats involved in this. They're scared. They should be scared. They haven't told the truth. They have misled the American people. And now it appears they're stealing from Indian tribes. The Democrats are not involved in this.
BLITZER: Unfortunately Mr. Chairman, we got to leave it right there.
I have friends who are hard core liberals. And while I have not checked every story out there, can one of you guys share with me exactly which Democrats received Abramoff money, and how much they received? I am not interested in money that came directly from the Indian Nations or from people that did business with Abramoff who also did business with a Democrat, but only money that can be traced specifically through Abramoff's hands. Can you help me out with this? So far, I haven't found any......but I would like to provide proof positive...which means Ann Coulter or O'Reilly or other "talking heads" probably won't count unless they are specific and can cite primary sources. Thanks in advance.
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If you are looking for someone here,to
back you up on,your "clean as the wind driven snow"
Democraps. It won't happen. Take your [bleep] over to AR.
It ain't welcome here. This is free advice.
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Bart, I think you are misreadng goodpasture. He says he is looking for evidence that Dean is wrong. That's a fair enough question. I'd guess everybody connected with Abramhof money can spin it so that he didn't get it directly from the lobbiest but from the guy's clients.
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And while I have not checked every story out there, can one of you guys share with me exactly which Democrats received Abramoff money, and how much they received? I am not interested in money that came directly from the Indian Nations or from people that did business with Abramoff who also did business with a Democrat, but only money that can be traced specifically through Abramoff's hands.
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Reckon if it was so easy to provide proof, the Dems would likely be indicted as well. Why don't you just ask for info on who really killed Kennedy? Easy as cake.
Mac
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I think that Goodpasture giving Howard Dean ANY sort of credit
or platform to spread his [bleep] here,on this campfire...
Says enough!
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Bart, I don't know who put the bug up your ass, but peddle it somewhere else. If you don't know, then shut the he11 up and leave it to the grownups who know how to discuss intelligently.
IF you had bothered to read my post, I said I was trying to find out exactly who received illegal contributions and who didn't. I don't give flying f*** what party you are in or what party you support or whose lips you get your information from. As far as I am concerned, EVERY elected official should be one termers......every one of the lying bast*ards should get fired at every opportunity........so take your conservative rants to someone who gives a dam n about your opinion.
What I am interested in is which Democrats were on the take. I think Abramoff bought and sold both sides of the aisle....he was an equal opportunity criminal. But so far I cannot find which Democrat took the money directly from him.
And please, Bart, let the grown ups talk and stay the he11 out of it.
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When Abramoff pleaded guilty and was plea bargaining his case, there was a list of names shown by Fox news... As I recall, most of the House names listed were Republicans, but all of the Senate names were Democrats. I can't name names, but this is not something that is limited to one party. My guess is that there is less wrong doing than one would be initially be lead to believe. It is pretty hard to link a contribution to a specific vote..... Not saying that is a good thing, it is just reality.
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so take your conservative rants to someone who gives a dam n about your opinion. Listen dickhead!!! I think that you are the [bleep],that is pushing your left-leaning point of view...Do you think that I just pop in here every now and and then to see whats going on? I've been reading your rambling's for awhile now and my opinion of you is,to say the least,LOW!!! Let the grown ups talk eh? How bout this gramps...[bleep]-you!!!! Anything else that you want to say to me can be handled in a PM...No? Bart
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No, you inconsiderate jerk.
You started this in public, finish it in public you gutless wonder.
I am, however, out of consideration for the owners of this website and out of simple courtesy towards the other members here, suspend any further discussion with a childish moron until I get a response from the owners or the moderator.
until then ahole, es
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Listen dickhead!!!
I think that you are the [bleep],that is pushing your left-leaning
point of view...Do you think that I just pop in here every now and and then to see whats going on? I've been reading your rambling's for awhile now and my opinion of you is,to say the least,LOW!!!
Let the grown ups talk eh? How bout this gramps...[bleep]-you!!!!
Anything else that you want to say to me can be handled in a PM...No?
Bart Thay make a pill for that.
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When Abramoff pleaded guilty and was plea bargaining his case, there was a list of names shown by Fox news... As I recall, most of the House names listed were Republicans, but all of the Senate names were Democrats. I can't name names, but this is not something that is limited to one party. My guess is that there is less wrong doing than one would be initially be lead to believe. It is pretty hard to link a contribution to a specific vote..... Not saying that is a good thing, it is just reality. Thanks, that is the way I thought it happened....but have been all over the FOX website and cannot find it.....thought maybe someone else knew where to look. Apparently Bart is the unofficial moderator here, so I don't expect much help from anyone else.......but thanks a bunch for what help you have offered.
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Thay make a pill for that. I don't know..."They"might. Bart
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Apparently Bart is the unofficial moderator here You are as smart as I thought you were...gramps... Bart
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Goodpasture you appear to be a fairly intelligent fellow. I'm guessing you are going to understand what I mean when I say that entitling this thread, "I need some help" and then posting what you did is passive aggressive trolling.
BTW, I don't expect you're going to get much sympathy from the owner or the moderator.
Please don't feed the trolls!
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Hey Bart, I read your post concerning Vince Young (thread) and my reaction is that you need to just relax a bit. Politics is interesting, but college sports is king!! Any of you guys watch the Tennessee Lady Vols play UConn.... that was a great game!
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One of the Seattle newspapers (Post Inteligencer?) carried a story about a week ago with names of politicians and amounts they had received from this guy. Several were Democrats. I think Senator Patty Murray was on the list. A congressman named Ney I think, not sure which party. I'm not going to do the search because I'm not interested enough but it is a place to start looking. Google up news stories, though I don't trust the news at all in such things.
Abrhamof was the kind of lobbyist who would bill clients for having lunch with someone when they merely were in the same room. Since it would be on a billing record, then the news would speculate about what happened at this nefarious lunch meeting.
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Goodpasture you appear to be a fairly intelligent fellow. I'm guessing you are going to understand what I mean when I say that entitling this thread, "I need some help" and then posting what you did is passive aggressive trolling.
BTW, I don't expect you're going to get much sympathy from the owner or the moderator. I guess we can see what is what. If I am wrong in asking the way I did then they can let me know. I don't know much about what is "passive aggressive." I write like I think, I try to provide the source of what it is I am talking about so folks can read for themselves what I am trying to talk about, and I try to be as succinct as possible in my questions. If that isn't "politically correct" enough for this board then I guess it's time I found out now before I annoy any other self appointed moderators.
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Apparently Bart is the unofficial moderator here, so I don't expect much help from anyone else.......but thanks a bunch for what help you have offered. Quite a statement. Did you ever think some of might not answer because we just don't happen to know the answer right off the top of our heads? Or rather are we just supposed to drop whatever we happen to be doing and rush into research mode because you asked. I don�t watch Fox. I refuse to waste what few brain cells I have left on watching any TV. I don�t care who bribed who. I like you think most elected officials are crooked. I just no longer care. Both of you relax, you might live a little longer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Just reread the first post. Looks like Dean was doing his usual self immolation and taking the Dems with him. When your opponent is digging himself into a hole, don't interupt him or distract attention from him. Sometimes I wonder if Dean is a secret agent for the Republicans, whose job is to make himself and Democrats look stupid.
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Sometimes I wonder if Dean is a secret agent for the Republicans, whose job is to make himself and Democrats look stupid. That's funny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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