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What "tactical advantage", or whatever you want to call it, is lost by carrying openly? Because you would look like an old man(not much of a threat)taken lightly ,and that might just give you the edge you need. And if taken too lightly(like old prey)then you could show your teeth so to speak,and maybe disfuse the situation. Remember its the old farts with little to loose that should be feared. Bob So by making myself look like an easy target I'm giving myself an edge? In what kind of situation does that work? And you admit that "showing my teeth" might diffuse a situation. But showing my teeth too soon has the opposite effect? Exactly when is the exactly right moment to show my teeth? An old fart with nothing to lose is the same with or without open carry. I'm not set in my ways on either side of the argument. I open carry 4 days a week in the hood and concealed carry the other 3 days in the burbs. So I'm ripe for convincing. But the arguments used by some here just don't hold water. Well for one I'm 5 11 and 210 and stronger than a Miss Mule ,but by looking older my potental attacker might just not take me for a real threat. I could shave and look like Audie Murphy,and my attacker might concieve me as a threat first hand. I would rather him not think so then kind of come out of the blue hard and with much predudice. Like I kill deer. I would prefice this to say in no way is this baiting and I wish for no confromtation as I have searved in Hell and have no wish to go back! Bob
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I plan to carry open in the summer when it is too hot to wear an outer garment. No problem covering up with a jacket or coat in the winter time.
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I plan to carry open in the summer when it is too hot to wear an outer garment. No problem covering up with a jacket or coat in the winter time. At 5'8"/170#, I have no problem carrying a Glock 19 inside a Crossbreed wearing 5.11 shorts with an untucked cotton tee-shirt. For occasions where that is a tad underdressed, a Khar PM9 in the pocket is second best.
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If I open carried I'd be concerned about the possibility of having to defend against bogus accusations e.g. menacing, brandishing, aggravated assault w/ a firearm, etc.. these charges are often felonies and - well - it's your word against theirs.
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If I open carried I'd be concerned about the possibility of having to defend against bogus accusations e.g. menacing, brandishing, aggravated assault w/ a firearm, etc.. these charges are often felonies and - well - it's your word against theirs. Where open carry is legal, this is of no concern. Such issues are exactly WHY many locales legalized open carry after Katrina. I don't carry openly, but I'm glad I have the opportunity to do so.
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This wasn't me but could have been. It is about 1/2 hr from where I live. Found this in the Open Carry forum of the utahconcealedcarry.com web site last night. Open Carrying in Utah is VERY legal and becoming more prevalent. The LEO's are now fully trained about it, many supporting it.
"I open carry, not because i don't have another option but because its more comfortable for me. I open carry pretty much everyday and pretty much everywhere I go. If there are signs i'll conceal just to avoid drama.
Anyway now that you know that this will make sense.
I walked into wal-mart in Saratoga springs today to get some steel wool and a can of boiled linseed oil. In and out trip. While i was in the store i remembered i needed a gallon of milk and some dog food, i get the milk and as I'm walking over to the pet section i see this lady glaring at me, i didn't really pay attention to her and went on with my shopping, i get to the pet food aisle and she walks up to me and says "does that gun make you feel like a big man?"
I turned and looked at her and noticed she had a pretty mad look on her face, so i Just kept my mouth shut.
She says "sir I'm talking to you!" I turned and said "and I'm ignoring you" she scoffs and says "you know the police carry guns to protect us, so you don't need that gun" i said "hmm that's great, get one to escort me around all day everyday and ill leave it home" she starts yelling at me with a bunch of anti gun points of view and what not and then starts yelling "this man has a gun!" Then a couple guys come walking briskly over to see what the heck is going on. The see that I'm just shopping and they tell the lady to "chill out or leave, he is legal to have that gun and is not hurting anyone or anything."
She walks off and i get the rest of my items and head to the check stand, this is my favorite part.
I get to the check stand and she walks up and says "the police are on the way." I say "cool we can ask them if they can be with me at all times to ensure I'm always safe" she starts yelling again and the manager walked over and says "mam you need to leave, your being loud and extremely rude, your behavior won't be tolerated here" i said thanks to the manager and went on my way. I get out side and there is a policeman outside waiting with her. He walks up and says "excuse me sir are you a felon?" I said nope he said you have a ccw? (Concealed Carry Weapons permit) I said yes and he said ok have a good afternoon and happy thanksgiving! I said thanks officer. As i got in my truck to pull out i saw her being put in handcuffs. I'm assuming they asked her to leave and she didnt and they got her for trespass or something. The policeman was great, Walmart employees were great and the other customers were getting a kick out of this lady losing her mind in the store. I didn't feel like the policeman was wrong for asking 2 simple questions and i have to say wal-mart scored a point in my book for today. I have heard horror story's about Wally World but while my experience today was a little wacky bit all in all went ok in my book. An the dog food was on sale!! 10.99 for a 20 something lb bag of puppy chow"
"I later got in touch with the officer and he told me that she kept getting mad at him for not doin anything to me and stood in front of his vehicle and wouldn't let him leave so he got her for obstruction."
+1 for Walmart and the SSPD. I love Utah!
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Excellent! She got exactly what she deserved.
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Even though I live in Wyoming, this is why I don't normaly open carry in town. Even here you run into this mentality, though I haven't seen such an extreme case,I have heard snide comment's coming from some. Always been a female, and always all indignant.
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Even though I live in Wyoming, this is why I don't normaly open carry in town. Even here you run into this mentality, though I haven't seen such an extreme case,I have heard snide comment's coming from some. Always been a female, and always all indignant. Females generally feel more free to be obnoxious due to the tabu against men striking women.
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The only negative encounter I've had.
Last year, in Salt Lake City, I had just walked out of a cake shop, where I'd bought a birthday cake for my youngest daughter. To get to my truck, I walked past a restaurant window. My 1911 was fully exposed, as usual. I got into the truck and could see into through the window where a couple were having a meal. The man, looking at me, was shaking his head back and forth in disapproval with a scowl. It just happened my son, then 12, saw this. A verbal tirad, for a 12 yr old, spewed forth and he wanted to get out of the truck and go give the gent a piece of his mind. In a fatherly tone, I reminded him that everyone has a right to their opinion and to express that opinion. We drove off. I am so proud of my son! Even all my son's friends who come over know I OC and could care less. They're used to it. Teaching them young is easier than teaching them older.
Alan
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Even though I live in Wyoming, this is why I don't normaly open carry in town. Even here you run into this mentality, though I haven't seen such an extreme case,I have heard snide comment's coming from some. Always been a female, and always all indignant. I hope in a gun friendly state such as Wyoming, where I believe one can open carry and is unrestricted in most public areas and generally accepted, you good folks don't loose that right. I believe that if a right is not exercised, you may loose that right. It takes time for both the LEO's and the citizens to become aware of the OC rights. Once that has happened, less and less negative encounters occur and more and more positive one do. On the utahconcealedcarry.com site, over the past number of years, I've read more and more positive and less and less negative encounters. Alan
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Alan, That is probably true, and it has been a while since I have heard any negative feedback from anyone. I think too that example's of people using their concealed carry to thwart violence help's,in the perception dept. Like the incident some month's back where a jerk was assaulting a female outside a local theater, when a local gent intervened. Long story short, the jerk ended up shot in the groin. The shooter did NOT have charges filed against him, and I heard nary a negative word against him.
TRH, I'm not really sure how it all correlate's, but to be clear, I also know a lot of women who support carrying firearm's. Some of them carry themselves. It has always just surprised me that in a state such as this that there are people who are freaked put at the thought of it.
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That tale warms the very cockles of my heart.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
Old cat turd!
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I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me
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For some reason, I don't fully believe that story. Instead, I think that guy was having his own little under-the-sheets fantasy about what he would LIKE to happen when he visits Wal-Mart some day. This wasn't me but could have been. It is about 1/2 hr from where I live. Found this in the Open Carry forum of the utahconcealedcarry.com web site last night. Open Carrying in Utah is VERY legal and becoming more prevalent. The LEO's are now fully trained about it, many supporting it.
"I open carry, not because i don't have another option but because its more comfortable for me. I open carry pretty much everyday and pretty much everywhere I go. If there are signs i'll conceal just to avoid drama.
Anyway now that you know that this will make sense.
I walked into wal-mart in Saratoga springs today to get some steel wool and a can of boiled linseed oil. In and out trip. While i was in the store i remembered i needed a gallon of milk and some dog food, i get the milk and as I'm walking over to the pet section i see this lady glaring at me, i didn't really pay attention to her and went on with my shopping, i get to the pet food aisle and she walks up to me and says "does that gun make you feel like a big man?"
I turned and looked at her and noticed she had a pretty mad look on her face, so i Just kept my mouth shut.
She says "sir I'm talking to you!" I turned and said "and I'm ignoring you" she scoffs and says "you know the police carry guns to protect us, so you don't need that gun" i said "hmm that's great, get one to escort me around all day everyday and ill leave it home" she starts yelling at me with a bunch of anti gun points of view and what not and then starts yelling "this man has a gun!" Then a couple guys come walking briskly over to see what the heck is going on. The see that I'm just shopping and they tell the lady to "chill out or leave, he is legal to have that gun and is not hurting anyone or anything."
She walks off and i get the rest of my items and head to the check stand, this is my favorite part.
I get to the check stand and she walks up and says "the police are on the way." I say "cool we can ask them if they can be with me at all times to ensure I'm always safe" she starts yelling again and the manager walked over and says "mam you need to leave, your being loud and extremely rude, your behavior won't be tolerated here" i said thanks to the manager and went on my way. I get out side and there is a policeman outside waiting with her. He walks up and says "excuse me sir are you a felon?" I said nope he said you have a ccw? (Concealed Carry Weapons permit) I said yes and he said ok have a good afternoon and happy thanksgiving! I said thanks officer. As i got in my truck to pull out i saw her being put in handcuffs. I'm assuming they asked her to leave and she didnt and they got her for trespass or something. The policeman was great, Walmart employees were great and the other customers were getting a kick out of this lady losing her mind in the store. I didn't feel like the policeman was wrong for asking 2 simple questions and i have to say wal-mart scored a point in my book for today. I have heard horror story's about Wally World but while my experience today was a little wacky bit all in all went ok in my book. An the dog food was on sale!! 10.99 for a 20 something lb bag of puppy chow"
"I later got in touch with the officer and he told me that she kept getting mad at him for not doin anything to me and stood in front of his vehicle and wouldn't let him leave so he got her for obstruction."
+1 for Walmart and the SSPD. I love Utah!
Alan
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You never know. It is da innanet, after all.
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I carry both ways, I have a CCW, most time a carry concealed, but will open carry when camping, hiking or hunting. I have not encountered too many idiots when open carrying, but have some. I just ignore the Libtards, not many have big enough spine or balls to confront us.
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Females generally feel more free to be obnoxious due to the tabu against men striking women. Truer words may have never been spoken.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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It should be legal, but it's a poor choice in most public situations to openly carry rather than conceal, in today's world.
I don't care what other people do unless they're looking for attention.
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