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This is an idiotic discussion from the start.
Pretty much... I simply disagree with the perception that SS is a social giveaway (welfare) to those that payed hundreds of thousands into the system, putting them in the same class as an illegal alien baby popper on welfare... I also disagree that SS and military pensions should have been included in the 47%... somehow that means I'm a supporter of the status quo, big government machine because... and then the Blah/Blah starts. You can't have reform until you separate each program, not lump them together in a 47% 'comprehensive' soundbite. Kent
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Gingrich: Yeah, we have to get immigration off the table
November 13,2012
David Goldman offers some insight on the subject:
Asian-Americans, like any other immigrant group, come here with the hope of bringing family members with them. Tough enforcement of immigration laws makes life as hard for them as it does for any other immigrant group, and frustrates their hope of reuniting families in America. The result of our present immigration laws is that we fail to keep out the illegals we don�t want, and make it harder to absorb the skilled and energetic immigrants we do want...
Asians now outnumber Hispanics among new immigrants. As Goldman puts it, �If we Republicans can�t persuade our most successful, entrepreneurial, family-oriented citizens to support us, we won�t be in business much longer.�
It�s that perceived hostility to diversity that will lock the GOP out of urban centers, where Democrats enjoyed a big turnout, even with a better economic message and policy. Note that the GOP share of the Asian vote declined by an even greater degree in 2012 than the decline in the Hispanic demographic. The Republican Party has to improve its standing among these demographics � not by pandering, but by offering conservative solutions that improve their lives. But in order to make the argument, we need to improve the perception of our agenda, and immigration reform is a big obstacle to that goal.
ABsolutely spot on.
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What the party has lacked is a clear concise vision for the nation and a substantial plan to obtain it.
The old party heads, the "machine" as TR called it, continuously break the legs the party is trying to stand on.
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This is an idiotic discussion from the start.
Why not concentrate efforts on improving SS instead of accepting extremist views about its long term future. That program can be fixed so easily that it isn't even on the radar compared to other programs. It alone has probably done more to prevent our elderly from living in abject poverty than any other program in hisotry. Ever. Private or public.
It can be fixed and a sane political stance would be to do so asap and quit wasting capital trying to convince every else that it is socialism or communism or whatever. That's a dead end.
Will Christ! Such an intelligent comment. What's that doing on the 'fire?
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AcesNeights, I don't think you understand. WE ARE ALREADY MOSTLY A SOCIALLY RUN COUNTRY AND HAVE BEEN STARTING WITH ROOSEVELT.
What I posted above, in my first post, is all the socially run, Federal run issue's that we use and still need today. If we did not have them just think of all the people that would have died and will die without them.
Maybe I should have posted in a different manner, but WE NEED THOSE SOCIALLY GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE!
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Laffin'...please don't let this be another plant we have to run off.
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Gingrich: Yeah, we have to get immigration off the table
November 13,2012
David Goldman offers some insight on the subject:
Asian-Americans, like any other immigrant group, come here with the hope of bringing family members with them. Tough enforcement of immigration laws makes life as hard for them as it does for any other immigrant group, and frustrates their hope of reuniting families in America. The result of our present immigration laws is that we fail to keep out the illegals we don�t want, and make it harder to absorb the skilled and energetic immigrants we do want...
Asians now outnumber Hispanics among new immigrants. As Goldman puts it, �If we Republicans can�t persuade our most successful, entrepreneurial, family-oriented citizens to support us, we won�t be in business much longer.�
It�s that perceived hostility to diversity that will lock the GOP out of urban centers, where Democrats enjoyed a big turnout, even with a better economic message and policy. Note that the GOP share of the Asian vote declined by an even greater degree in 2012 than the decline in the Hispanic demographic. The Republican Party has to improve its standing among these demographics � not by pandering, but by offering conservative solutions that improve their lives. But in order to make the argument, we need to improve the perception of our agenda, and immigration reform is a big obstacle to that goal.
ABsolutely spot on. The article in it's entirety is an overreach connecting the two demographics. As for the bolded, I put up the solution yesterday but it had an expiration of 4:00 to be accepted... oh well. Kent
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How do you get to overreach?
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president." Not the first time someone has said that. I agree this is the greater problem, education proper education is surely required to rectify situation. cheers NC
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The article in it's entirety is an overreach connecting the two demographics.
Kent
Really? I work with hispanics and asians every day. Mostly hispanics, but a lot of asians, too. My neighbors are hispanic Americans. Most of my patients are hispanic Americans. Most of the people I buy stuff from in my town are hispanic Americans. Most of them have been here in Texas for at least 3 generations, some much longer than that. They are as solidly conservative as any white folks I know. But they feel that the Republican party doesn't want them or represent them. The asian Americans I've worked with in the past (and some here in my present situation, too... they are hardworking people who want to get in on the oil boom here in Texas) are the same kind of people. Solidly conservative, but they feel alienated by the perception of the Republicans as the "white people's party". You may think the article is an overreach, but the basic substance of it is absolutely true, in my experience. Immigrants are far and away the hardest working people I know (I should know, I'm an immigrant myself, and I work damn hard!) and as a whole are fiscally, socially, and ethically conservative. We need to be bringing them into mainstream conservative politics, not alienating them.
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Then you should have read my post yesterday... you're not saying anything I haven't said for 3 years here.
The overreach is that immigration reform is the same voting issue between an American hispanic and a repatriated Asian...
If you truly wish to address demographic issues, at least personalize them to each demographic.
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I'm not sure I know which post from yesterday you refer to... you had several, one deleted. Is that it?
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The proof of the overreach is the very answer you wrote above about your experiences. You never mentioned immigration reform as a voting deterrent to conservative American minorities you know... perceived racism bolstered by MSM, liberal politicians, reverend 'whoever', hollywood and yes the GOP by not addressing the issue is a huge image problem.
But the article was immigration reform and conservative votes.
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Doc, i concur. I grew up in a predominantly Hispanic community. They were culturally quite conservative. Too bad you're not hispanic.
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My neighbors are hispanic Americans. Most of my patients are hispanic Americans. Most of the people I buy stuff from in my town are hispanic Americans. Most of them have been here in Texas for at least 3 generations, some much longer than that.
Is that how they describe themselves? it seems to me that is one of the problems we as Americans have to deal with - are we "Americans" or something else? We need to all pull together rather than pull our own hyphenation out of America. Not enough people look at our country, but what's in it for them.
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Is that how they describe themselves? No... and no conservative american likes to be patronized... but liberal ones do... but not by enlightened white guys that their liberal leaders tell them are evil. Kent
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Yes, you are certainly correct. SS is something we have worked for. But all the rest mentioned certainly are Federally funded. Anything that is funded by the Government is considered Socially funded.
Obama is an extremely intelligent person and perhaps that is the whole problem from the very beginning. Why are the Republicans so afraid of him? Because he is African-American?
Why do they listen to some old, ignoramus such as McCain that thinks he knows it all when he picked the dumbest, most ignorant, sickening woman to run for VP with him for President. He must still be angry to this day for that loss.
Someone who crashed 3 airplanes. Would have failed college but for his daddy and grandaddy. Kissed up to his captors and it has been said his facial injuries were due to his plane crash when he was captured. Not from torture.
He was nasty and tempermental to other veterans that were injured in wars.
He didn't want his first wife after she was injured in a car wreck and wheel chair bound.
He is a nasty, demented old goat.
If he and the rest of the GOP are your heros then that's your problem. Big time.
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You have these inner struggles often?
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Yes, you are certainly correct. SS is something we have worked for. But all the rest mentioned certainly are Federally funded. Anything that is funded by the Government is considered Socially funded.
Obama is an extremely intelligent person and perhaps that is the whole problem from the very beginning. Why are the Republicans so afraid of him? Because he is African-American?
Why do they listen to some old, ignoramus such as McCain that thinks he knows it all when he picked the dumbest, most ignorant, sickening woman to run for VP with him for President. He must still be angry to this day for that loss.
Someone who crashed 3 airplanes. Would have failed college but for his daddy and grandaddy. Kissed up to his captors and it has been said his facial injuries were due to his plane crash when he was captured. Not from torture.
He was nasty and tempermental to other veterans that were injured in wars.
He didn't want his first wife after she was injured in a car wreck and wheel chair bound.
He is a nasty, demented old goat.
If he and the rest of the GOP are your heros then that's your problem. Big time. Who's sock puppet are you, anyway ? Your text and syntax seem pretty familiar. You here for some comeradrie, .........or to display your d$ckhead capabilities ? Welcome ? Nah,......eat chit and [bleep] right off. GTC
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Yes, you are certainly correct. SS is something we have worked for. But all the rest mentioned certainly are Federally funded. Anything that is funded by the Government is considered Socially funded.
Obama is an extremely intelligent person and perhaps that is the whole problem from the very beginning. Why are the Republicans so afraid of him? Because he is African-American?
Why do they listen to some old, ignoramus such as McCain that thinks he knows it all when he picked the dumbest, most ignorant, sickening woman to run for VP with him for President. He must still be angry to this day for that loss.
Someone who crashed 3 airplanes. Would have failed college but for his daddy and grandaddy. Kissed up to his captors and it has been said his facial injuries were due to his plane crash when he was captured. Not from torture.
He was nasty and tempermental to other veterans that were injured in wars.
He didn't want his first wife after she was injured in a car wreck and wheel chair bound.
He is a nasty, demented old goat.
If he and the rest of the GOP are your heros then that's your problem. Big time. Hey Marshmallow4 Brains - do us a big favor and go sharpen your chainsaws! What a moron!
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