Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire let me get this straight.....closing Hostess is a win for the unions?

Mark my words!, Hostess is just the start.

Never occurred to me in the fifth and sixth grade � when all the school-yard bullies got their kicks beating on the preacher's skinny-runt kid � to hire somebody to do my knuckle work for me. Just think of what I could've amounted-to for the rest of my life!

That would have made you a thug, I don't think you have it in you to be a thug.

You're a preachers kid?

Looks like Darwin's theory of evolution is alive and well.

I swear some of you boys must live under rocks. The union has been trying to unionize walmart as long as they've tried to unionize toyoder... or longer.

I can't picture how someone like that looks in the mirror in the morning and assess themselves as a member of society.

Selling Twinkies and Wonderbread baked in nonunion bakeries, no doubt.

Hell, they may even be cheaper�may sell a lot more�maybe need more bakeries�

It's obvious from the last election that they make up the majority of this society.

That was an interesting article.

Sort of like a cartoon character, holding a gun to his own head and threatening "If you don't do what I say I'll pull the trigger".

Sorry, couldn't resist.



Hold it! The next man that makes a move, the n***** gets it.

That's about it!

Expat gag from Jeddah �

Mahmoud had had enough of his wife's nagging � went to their bedroom, sat on the bed, and put his pistol to his temple.

"You damn fool! What do you think you're doing?"

"Shut up! You're next!"

The same thing seems to happen several times a year. It makes no sense at all

You are going to see a lot more of this starting on 1/1/2014 when Obamacare kicks in, it's just begun, it's going to be inevitable. You think double digit inflation was bad during the Carter Years you've seen nothing yet.

Hold onto your shorts it's going to be a whole hell of a lot worse with what Obama and the Democrats have saddled us with with Obamacare.

socialists can tax and regulate, but they can't make employers hire, borrow, or grow their businesses. lots of people will be going John Galt as Obamacare kicks in and the bureaucrats at EPA, OSHA, and the rest of the federal alphabet soup crank up the regulatory state. combined with tax increases, inflation, and rising interest rates, and you're looking at four more years in the toilet.

In essence, that's what they did. When labor strikes, they have effectively quit their job. If the company settles, the settlement agreement includes reinstatement for the strikers. In this case, they rolled the dice and lost. It's likely that at least some of them could see it coming and would rather not participate. I hope those individuals learned from the experience and do better in the future.

It amazes me how some people believe that a union will keep them safe from this sort of thing. Reports are that the management and the holding company are directly responsible for the demise of the company's finances. The idea that a striking workforce could convince such management to change their plans for the eventual liquidation of such a company is just wishful thinking. The same kind of thinking that leads one to believe that obamacare will work.

Right or wrong, corporations will do what they need to make the profit goals they set. Throw a road block in front of them that they can't push away, and they will find a way around it.

[sarcasm]That's why the government needs to take an ownership position in troubled companies and/or grant ownership to their lackeys. Look what it did for GM. May have gotten Obama Ohio in "approval." Capitalists won't reform a viable company for industry-normal company profits, simply rape the workers and pocket "untold millions." Only the government acts with munificent management practices in a way that helps the middle class. Like the USPS.[/sarcasm]

How do those nasty capitalists do that? Would be like selling your under water mortgaged home and coming out ahead enough to retire.

The idea that a striking workforce could convince such management to change their plans for the eventual liquidation of such a company is just wishful thinking.

I agree and asking 18,500 employees to take a third reduction in pay and benefits just to watch the company eventually liquidate is throwing money at a losing venture. Everyone with half a clue knew that Hostess was on the path to liquidation. Why putz around taking a third pay cut to watch the top execs pad their pockets with the money they saved on your pay cut?

In particular when the CEO, top exec's, and upper management take NO reduction in pay or benefits.

Apparently "labor costs" are only those associated with the people actually on the line producing something. Managements labor costs, benefits, bonus's, etc...really arent labor costs I suppose?

Bottom line is this, and these are the FACTS:

1. Hostess was in the $hit...and deeply in the $hit through a pi$$ poor business plan combined with pi$$ poor leadership. Leadership never looks in the mirror for even a part of the problem...its easier to blame everyone else. The Captain of any ship either sails into port...or sinks with the ship. A total of 5 CEO's sunk like the turds they were/are as complete failures who couldnt do the job they were hired to do. The 6th did his job...which was to liquidate the company.

2. They'd already asked the employees to take 2 pay/benefit reductions and still couldnt get the company turned around.

3. In the last 8 years they burned through 5 CEO's that couldnt turn it around.

4. Rayburn is nothing more than a hatchet man...putting "restructering expert" on his resume to hide what he really is.

Like I stated in another thread...heres how I would have seperated the buckwheat from the bullshit real fast on just how serious Rayburn and his Management team were about "saving Hostess". A good leader...hell even a decent leader...would NEVER ask his employees to sacrifice something he/she wasnt also willing to sacrifice for the good of the company. If Rayburn was really honest...I'd bet good money that he already had every intention of liquidating Hostes in February when he was hired. He isnt fooling anyone...the decision had been made longgg before the strike to close the doors and liquidate.

You'd find out in 2 seconds flat at a negotiating table if there was ever any intent of saving Hostess with this:

1. I'll agree to a 30% decrease ONLY if every single employee from the CEO to janitors take the same cut in salary and benefits.

2. If Hostess folds the tent within 2 years, you backpay all the employees the 30% you took to "save the company".

3. If the company is out of the red and making money after 2 years, you restore wages and we move on.

If they didnt agree to those 3 items...kiss my ass, you already planned on closing the doors anyway. Negotiations over.

Piss poor management is like cancer. You have to use radical chemotherapy to treat it, sometimes the host can't tolerate the cure.