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i guess your logic is that there is no real difference between the 7'08 and the 30'06 because they are in the same "class" while the "fabulous" 7RM is in a different "ballpark." dont be ashamed to admit it; we understand. it's just another case of 7RM honey love

I have had numerous 280 remingtons and the only one that got near book velocity was a 26" barrelled ruger 1b...

Step on the gas.

No;what distinguishes the 30/06 are the heavier bullets,I think.Good in some applications,but a good 165 gr in the 30/06 cuts a big swath.Same can be a said for a 7/08 with 140-160 gr bullets.The 7 Rem Mag starts 160 gr bullets the same velocities that a 280 does a 140,which is why I like it.That's a versatile open country load for about anything.

Practically speaking,among the game we commonly hunt here in North America,there isn't much to worry about with either a 7/08...or a 30/06.

We can make a strong case for using about any one of these standard cased 7mm's,or the 270.But trying to make a case that any one of them is markedly suprior to any other,is pretty hard to do.

Hmph, a pack of crowd pleasing conformists....if you were even one iota different you would be shooting a 7x64 Brenneke.

Much cooler name.

...even Ingwe would stand up his 7x57 fetish for a mere chance at caressing such as that, particularly an original.

interesting factoid: lee 2nd ed 150 gr - 7'08: 2823 fps, 270:3010, 280: 2930 (50000cup) 30'06: 3068; 7rm:3003. i suppose if i owned a 270 and a 7rm it would be natural to lump everything in a 308 or 30'06 case in one group and everything with a bigger case in another. "if you cant convince them with the cogency of your argument, dazzle them with the brilliance of your snow." happy thanksgiving!

The 280 beats the 270 in the bullet selection department and if your interested in reaching out longer ranges it will do it with far less recoil than a 30/06. So realistically speaking if they will all work I'm going to choose the one that does the same thing with less recoil and better bullet selection.

Shod

You're getting the drift....

Oh, sure...there's a difference in velocity.But I keep saying it and will repeat.There is little difference in how they "kill".

But the numbers for the 7RM and 150 are....mmmm....150 fps "slow". It will do 3150 with a 150 gr pretty easily.Good load!

But gee, I pondered for 30 years whether the 7RM was enough gain over the standard jugs to justify it....I finally concluded(to save myself the torment) that it was....but with 160 and heavier bullets.It also goes faster with 140's and I found it's biggest asset was that it expanded tough bullets farther out than the standard cases.

While I was doing all this thinking, I kept hunting and killing western game with it.Not much to complain about.

The "problem" with loading manuals is that you can't always rely on the numbers when it comes to your individual rifle.So,I go by what my own rifles have provided;manuals are a good reference, though.

Happy Thanksgiving!

another interesting factoid. 280, 59 gr 7828=2990; 7rm, 67.1 gr 7828=2980 (150 gr). if your belief in the great superiority of the 7rm over the 280 cost you 30 years of torment, you can have it with my sympathy!

Unsubscripe!
This thread has turned into one of the most stupid threads I have seen here..

Some of you .280 guys really have issues..

And yes I own a 700 in .280AI myself along with a bunch of other rifles chambered in 7mm, ( no 7 maggie ) ,6.5, .277 and .30 cals.

The 280's that I owned loaded with 58.5g of IMR 7828 with a 160g Sierra with a velocity in the area of 2950 have dropped a lot of deer, right in their tracks, near and far. Something about this load seems to be magic on deer. I got this load right out of the Nosler manual and it has been extremly accurate from day one, all I had to do was play with the seating dept a little to tweek the accuracy for that rifle.

The 7mm 160g Sierra Spt BT at this speed is a magic load for dropping deer DRT. 61g of IMR 4831 in a 7 Mag produces the same velocity and has the same effect on deer. I would bet my house that my family has killed at least 300 deer with this bullet at this speed out of 280's, and various 7 Mags.

By the way, most do not know that the 280 will produce much less pressure loaded with the same bullet weight and same powder charge vs the 270.

Rick you keep posting those anemic velocities for the 7RM....what's up with that? 2980 with a 150 is a starting load...

It really didn't take me all that long to figure out the 7RM was a better mouse trap.....didn't take long for the rest of the world to figure it out either back in 1962.

It really isn't a fair comparison....the 7RM just has more capacity.


Forget the manual quotes. Rick what 280 do you have and what are the loads and velocities you have gotten from it? Barrel length?

How about the 7RM? How have those compared?

Ain't hard to figure thatun.

bullet wt/bore ratio. pretty simple.

Want to ADD -

I'm not a 7mm anything hater. I know & understand the 280. IF I had gone 280 early on, I probably would not have 270s.

MAGIC? WOW!
I have shot out two 280 barrels. I have owned both Ackley and the RCBS improved versions. One of the 280's had a long throat, a 24" bbl, and was built with an extra deep groove diameter barrel (eg it was oversize).

A 270 will move 130's about 50 fps faster than a 280 will move 140's. The same relationship holds with other bullets. In a 22" bbl, it takes a lot of pressure to beat 2850 with 160's. Each inch of barrel adds about 25fps.

At similar pressures and with similarly throated chambers, the improved ctgs gain about 45fps.

No MAGIC, no SPECIAL SPELLS. The 270's were easier to develop good loads for and much easier to find ammo for. NAP=no appreciable difference on game. Both worked very well but just try to find 280 ammo in South Africa or, for that matter in Pocatello or Rock Springs.

I have noticed how fans of one cartridge cite the "most very optimistic" data for their pet and then compare their baby with another cartridge using anemic data.

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I have only one .280 Rem. It is my special purpose wild boar/hog gun. I put an Aimpoint 9000 on it after being inspired by the Aimpoint video.

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in many loads, with old and new powders, velocities between 280 and 7rm are near equal with the 280 using 15-25% less of the same powder. why the published data for the 7rm gives so low velocities for 150 gr bullets i dont know. dig the sig.

Hahahahahahahshaha!

I love a good joke!

Shod

Bob,

I'm not sure if 280Rick is a kid or a troll. I think all 10 of his posts are in this one thread. I am a 280 rem fan and a 7mm fan in general(as of last couple of years digging my 7mm-08 even over the 280). I have enough 7mm Noslers Partitions to last me a life time along with my kids and feel probably the best out of the bunch is the 160 gr whether you are shooting a 7-08/7x57 or 280 or 7RM or 7stw. All do the same, just do it a little farther out and in the hands of a practiced rifleman with his 7-08 and avg rifleman with a 7 stw, its probably a moot point.

I know Bob loves the 270 and I might too if my father didn't talk me out of buying one when I was 18 to buy a 30-06. That along with a couple of older guys in deer camps I hunted in that did nothing but brag about how good the 270 is. If I did not reload, the 270 would probably be my first choice.

280Rick, go check a Nosler manual also and see what the 160 partition does in the 270, Is there really a difference?

As for the 7mm RM, I was never really a fan as I'm not a fan of magnums in general but 150 partiton can be pushed to 3100-3200+ with multiple powders while the 280 maxs out at just under 3000 and as Bob stated that's with a 26" tube in the 280 and 24 in the RM